Thursday, March 6, 2014

Jorge jokes about Our Lord's Crucifixion

El Jesuita: Conversaciones con el cardinal Jorge Bergoglio, s.j. 
por Sergio Rubin y Francesca Ambrogetti con Prologo por Rabino Abraham Skorka

In the book, El Jesuita: Conversaciones con el cardinal Jorge Bergoglio, Jorge makes a joke about Our Lord's Crucifixion.  On pages 41 & 42 in Chapter 3 of the book translated from the Spanish to English one reads the following:
But the main emblem of Catholicism is a Crucified Christ dripping blood...

The exaltation of suffering in the Church depends heavily on the time and culture. The Church represents Christ in the cultural atmosphere of the time that one lived. Looking at the Eastern icons, the Russians, for example, it is found that there are few images of the crucified suffering. Rather it represents the resurrection. But if we look at the Spanish Baroque or Cuzco, we find the patience of Christ ripped away because the Baroque emphasized the passion of Jesus. The White Crucifixion, Chagall, who was a Jewish believer, is not cruel (but) it is hopeful. Pain is shown there calmly. I believe that it is one of the most beautiful things he painted. 
[NOTE THE FOLLOWING TEXT HAS BEEN EDITED OUT OF THE ENGLISH EDITION OF THE BOOK]

At this point, Bergoglio turns smiling, perhaps to ease the talk.

Can I tell a story that comes to mind, he asked?

Sure.

It is about a Jewish boy who thrown out of all schools for being unruly until another Jew recommends to the father a "good Catholic school." And it encourages him that, surely, there (they) are going to straighten (him out). The father takes the advice. Thus passes the first month and the boy is very well behaved, without warning (surprisingly). Nor has he behavior problems in the coming months. The father, won by curiosity, goes to the rector to know how he managed this transformation. “It was very simple," replied the priest. "On the first day I took him by the ear and said pointing to the crucifix, ‘That was a Jew like you, if you misbehave, you will end up the same.’ " 
What would you say of one who shared the above with you?  Would it be safe to say the man who now claims to be the 'Vicar of Christ' sees the crucifixion as the punch line of a joke?  Or he doesn’t believe in the suffering Christ went through in His Passion for our sins?  The Catholic Church has an ancient law, first written of by Saint Prosper of Aquitaine (390AD–455AD), “lex orandi, lex credendi.”  This roughly translates as, “the law of prayer is the law of belief.”    So if the above are his beliefs what does this say about how he prays?  Are Jorge's outward behaviors signs which gives one hints as to how he prays and what he thinks?  Why is Jorge always equating Christ to modern day Jews?

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(página 41 en Capítulo 3 "lo estás imitando a Jesús” de  
 El Jesuita: Conversaciones con el cardinal Jorge Bergoglio)

 
(página 42 en Capítulo 3 "lo estás imitando a Jesús” de 
 El Jesuita: Conversaciones con el cardinal Jorge Bergoglio)



Pope Francis: Conversations with Jorge Bergoglio: His Life in His Own Words
by Sergio Rubin and Francesca Ambrogetti.

(page 26 in Chapter 3 'You Are Imitating Christ' of Pope Francis:
Conversations with Jorge Bergoglio: His Life in His Own Words)

(page 27 in Chapter 3 'You Are Imitating Christ' of Pope Francis:
Conversations with Jorge Bergoglio: His Life in His Own Words)

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*The Spanish edition published in 2010 is titled,  El Jesuita: Conversaciones con el cardinal Jorge Bergoglio, s.j. por Sergio Rubin y Francesca Ambrogetti con Prologo por Rabino Abraham Skorka, which translates into English as, The Jesuit: Conversations with the Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio, S.J. by Sergio Rubin and Francesca Ambrogetti with prologue by Rabbi Abraham Skorka.

**An English language edition was published in 2013 as, Pope Francis: Conversations with Jorge Bergoglio: His Life in His Own Words, by Sergio Rubin and Francesca Ambrogetti.  Interestingly it has been edited and Jorge's joke was one of the editors' revisions.  Why have the editors at the Penguin Group covered for Francis?

13 comments:

  1. As a trad, I do believe you are going a bit overboard on this one.

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    1. We disagree as this isn't the only time Jorge Bergoglio has joked about Our Lord's Crucifixion. Do you tell jokes like this? Or find them funny?

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    2. I agree with you, I would be offended by ANYONE who joked like this about Our Lord and His crucifixion! I have blasted my son for much less - disrespect or joking about sacred things or Our Lord, that is out of bounds!!

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    3. Frankly,. it's these liberal modernist bigots and blasphemers who have gone overboard.

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  2. Hasn't this blasphemous bastard gone to Hell yet?

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  3. In his homilies when he was cardinal he said very strange things, too.
    http://www.aicaold.com.ar/index2.php?pag=docbergoglio
    For example in this one:
    "Una vez le pregunté a un santo sacerdote –hombre de Dios realmente–
    Era especialista en religiones orientales, porque daba clases de eso.
    -¿Vos a quién le rezás? ¿a Cristo o a Buda?
    El con mucha sorna y humor me respondió:
    -3/4 del tiempo a Cristo y 1/4 a Buda, por si acaso. (risas)
    Y se rió. Evidentemente era un hombre unido a Cristo y por eso se permitió el chiste y se dio cuenta del humor."
    http://www.aicaold.com.ar/docs_blanco.php?id=1315

    One year after constant pampering of the jews and their false religion and bashing of traditional Catholics nearly every passing day I´m at the point that if someone would tell me that he knows for sure that Jorge Bergoglio is secrectly a jew I would believe it.

    The jews have yet included Pope Francis in the list of top 50 Jewish figures.
    http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/world-news/detail/articolo/francesco-francis-francisco-ebrei-jews-judios-29683/

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    1. Thank you for your comments Martina Katholik! We hope in the coming year to find the time to read through his old sermons. That is a very strange thing for one to say in a sermon but it certainly fits with what we have learned about Jorge Bergoglio.

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  4. The soul of this poor man is in a very terrible endangered shape...we need to offer many fasting and prayers for his poor soul.

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    1. Yes with his behavior we agree his soul is in bad shape. We pray he makes a conversion to the true Catholic faith.

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    2. yes, I agree, he is lacking the true faith! He described the Jewish person in his story as a "Jewish believer"- what does that mean? I know, he is a Catholic with Jewish roots? NO, sadly he means that a Jew can be a believer and please God with a faith that excludes belief in Jesus as the Saviour!! Wow, that is just heresy, but it fits with the teachings of Vatican II!!


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  5. For the only source of uncompromising and true Catholic defense and education go to www.vaticancatholic.com. They are also the only source for the full truth on what happened to the Catholic Church after Vatican II.

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    1. While the Dimond Brothers do have some good information, we disagree that they are the only source for the full truth on what happened after Vatican II. Be wary of what one reads on their site about the Faith as much of what they espouse isn't Catholic.

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    2. This is very interesting. Most sites ignore the Dimond brothers altogether. Please give at least one example of what they espouse that is not Catholic.
      Mary from Aus.

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