Wednesday, July 30, 2014

Traettino puts his spiritual hug into words for Francis

Evangelical Pastor Giovanni Traettino's Words to Pope Francis in Caserta

"You, with your visit here, which has demonstrated that you take reconciliation seriously, show that you are a man of reconciliation, I would say a prophet of reconciliation"

Caserta,  (Zenit.org)

Before Pope Francis addressed Monday the Pentecostal community known as the Evangelical Church of Reconciliation in Caserta, Italy, his friend from his days in Buenos Aires, Evangelical Pastor Giovanni Traettino, addressed the Pope.
Below is a translation of the pastor's words.
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It’s lovely to be before the Lord, no? (People answer: yes!). There is no better place in the world than to be in the presence of God., there is still a better place, to live in the presence of God! It is there that we experience the most profound joys, the truest joys; it is there that our life is transformed and that we become ever more similar to Him.
I wish to share some considerations and, in particular, dearest Pope Francis, my beloved brother, our joy is great because of your visit, my personal joy, that of my family, that of the whole of our community and of our spiritual family, of our guests and of our friends. A great and unexpected gift, unthinkable a short time ago. You will be able to read it in the eyes of the children and the elderly, of young people and of families. We love you very much! And there is something you must know: there is for your person, also among us Evangelicals, so much affection, and so many of us pray for you every day: also every day they pray for you. After all, it is so easy to love you very much. Several of us even believe that your election as Bishop of Rome was wrought by the Holy Spirit. A blessing above all for the whole of Christianity in dealing with the world: this is what I personally think. With this gesture of yours, wholly unexpected and surprising, you have given visibility and concreteness to what appears ever more to be the leading reason for your existence and, hence, of your ministry, because life always precedes ministry. Overcoming with one blow the complications of protocol, you know how to go directly to the heart of life and of human relations and, in particular, in the relation with whom you recognize as brother: to encounter one’s brother, to encounter him where he is, to encounter him as he is. In our case then, to visit us, you actually had to endure two days of exertion. We are particularly grateful to you!
It wasn’t enough for you to entrust your heart to a document or a message … Evidently, you have reflected much on the Incarnation of Jesus Christ: you wanted to touch us, you wanted to come in person, to embrace us in person. You have shown great courage – liberty and courage! And you have given yourself, in simplicity and weakness, to our diversity, but also to our embrace. With men like you, dear Pope Francis, there is hope for us Christians. For all! With just one gesture, you have widened the door, you have accelerated the realization of God’s dream. You have become part of Jesus’ prayer: that they may all be one.” And you did so with that glory of which John speaks in chapter 17: with that glory without which it is impossible to build unity. I speak of the glory of humility. As someone said, humility is at the heart of glory. And he adds: a bit of power is enough to exhibit oneself, much is needed to withdraw. God is unlimited power of withdrawal of self, of hiding. Also from this, perhaps above all from this, Christ’s disciples are recognized.
“Truth is an encounter”: it is the title of one of the last collections of your lovely morning meditations at Saint Martha’s. Truth is an encounter, but it is also a central truth for every Christian, for everyone who has converted to Christ and had a personal encounter with Him. How many times in your teachings you return to the invitation to conversion and to the personal encounter with Christ. It is obvious that this truth is at the center of your life, living matter of your spiritual experience, inspirational motive of your existence. For me, who observe you, it cannot be otherwise. It fills me with joy, because Christ is also the precious pearl, excuse me, He is the precious pearl of all Christians, also of us Evangelicals. I saw that day before yesterday you spoke of Him at Caserta. He is the center and the heart of our life, the very reason of our existence. We would be lost without Jesus! Our sole reason to live and exist is Jesus! However, it is in fact the passion that we bear for the centrality of Christ that makes us Evangelicals, with solid and serene conviction. Therefore, we also live and experience in a new way our being Evangelicals, which is no longer nourished by anti-Catholicism – as it was for some time – but which, recognizes our own origins and roots  in the historical tree of Christianity, Catholicism and the Reformation included.  You have learned to relate in a constructive and redemptive way with those whom you recognize as your fathers and brothers  and to take out from your treasure – as the Gospel writes – things new and things old. You have learned – we are always learning more – that the whole field must be bought, as Jesus says in another part of the Gospel, to take possession of the whole treasure. One must have the whole field to discover the treasure, without giving up the work of discernment made with the Word of God, but examining everything and keeping the good. In this way we are less exposed to the risk of disdaining the contribution of brothers, of extinguishing the Spirit or even of attributing to other sources what instead is of the Lord, as Paul exhorts us in the Letter to the Thessalonians: “Do not extinguish the Spirit, do not scorn the prophecies, but examine everything and keep the good. And again, each one must abstain from every sort of evil.”
Hence truth is an encounter and the encounter with Christ is the encounter of life: it is what gives truth and foundation to every other encounter. This is my experience. My encounters and my relations with my neighbor are profoundly marked by my encounter with Jesus. This is the central message, the nucleus, the DNA of the Gospel. This is the heart of evangelical preaching; this is the terrain on which to build every possible dialogue between us and the path of unity between the Churches. As it is written: “No one can lay another foundation other than that already laid, namely Christ Jesus.” And again:
Speaking of Evangelicals, some time ago, Father Raniero Cantalamessa described them as “Christians with the charism of the essential.” It is a description that I like very much. I share it. And some years ago, Cardinal Piovanelli of Florence, proclaimed to anyone who asked him a forecast for the third millennium: “It will be an age in which there will be a return to the fundamental principles of Christianity.” I also believe this. It is necessary, it is indispensable  that we return to the fundamental principles. Cardinal Kasper, instead, who I know is your friend, has spoken of “a fundamental ecumenism and a spiritual ecumenism”: here too we are in line. He says:Christians are not united among themselves, they are, first of all, one in Christ. And only that union and communion with Christ makes true communion possible between men and Him. The Lord is the center of the unity. And the force that works and orders this unity is the Holy Spirit.” Perhaps it is in fact from this understanding that Christianity must start again. This is the fundamental perimeter of our communion and it is here that I believe I can say the greatest contribution lies – also historical and theological – of the prophecy of the first Reformation and then of the evangelical world after. I believe this is the fundamental prophecy for the benefit of the whole Body of Christ and of the Church, if the history of Christianity has some meaning …
The Apostle Paul says: “Because no one can lay another foundation other than that already laid – namely Christ Jesus.” Therefore Christ -- to put Christ at the foundation; to build on Christ; to be pressed tightly around Christ; to grow towards Christ. He is the foundation of the life of the believer: conversion to Christ, a personal relation with Christ, the imitation of Christ, which is not possible without the presence of the life of Christ. From Christ’s life we receive the strength for the imitation of Christ, to become saints. The formation of Christ is rendered possible by Christ’s life in us. He is the foundation on which we grow: we are born again, but then we grow. And this is the foundation on which the existence of the Church is built, again Christ: the Incarnation of Christ, as proper method, as style of life; identification with the poor, with the needy, with those in difficulty -- the life of Christ, the style with which He lived. And so often the Christianity of our time is in need of reformation and revision of life, because models are proposed which are very far from the Gospel. The life of Christ, the death of Christ: to be able to live of Christ, we too must die to ourselves, so that the life of the Spirit can exist in us and, therefore, the Resurrection, the Ascension, with the crowning of the descent of the Holy Spirit, which is indispensable for us to be able to live the Christian life.
I also believe that, in the development of spaces of communion between the different communities, we speak again of Christ, of the return to the essential of the Gospel and there we discover that this space is again Christ, the proclamation of Christ – the “kerigma,” the teaching of Christ – the “didake” – the formation of Christ in us. Like you, I quote a most beautiful and ancient prayer, which I imagine you recite every day: “In Christ, with Christ, by Christ, to you God Almighty Father, in the unity of the Holy Spirit, all honor and glory for ever and ever.” I think this makes a good synthesis of what the thought is, which I wish to stress.
One last word. We are, we live between the “now” and the “not yet” – as someone has said – and our experience is an experience of suffering, of pain, of toil in advancing in the dialogue between Christians, in experiencing communion. It is the plane of faith: “you are only one body,” of which dear Jorge Himitian spoke yesterday, “may they be one,” we are on the plane of faith, “the Tabernacle of God among men,” of which Revelation 21 speaks. This is the plane of faith, but then there is the plane of history. The plane of history is that of our experience, where we experience the shame of division, of wars between Christians, of hostilities, of persecutions, also in Italy: unfortunately for many years we experienced persecutions, the Pentecostals particularly, in the years from ’35 to ’55 the notorious… In the middle was the time of reconciliation, the time of ethics, if you wish, the time of love, the time of responsibility, which must be filled by men and women of reconciliation. You, with your visit here, which has demonstrated that you take reconciliation seriously, show that you are a man of reconciliation, I would say a prophet of reconciliation.
Through Christ God has reconciled us with Himself – says the Apostle Paul (Second Letter to the Corinthians) , and He has entrusted to us the ministry of reconciliation. Our spiritual family has chosen this theme for its existence: Church of reconciliation. However, He has entrusted to all Christians the ministry of reconciliation, from the experience they have within this ministry. He has sown, implanted within us – says the Apostle Paul – the word of reconciliation (2 Corinthians 5:19). It is from this word of reconciliation, which is Jesus himself; He is the word of reconciliation within us, nourishing us to Him, to his spirit, to his sensibility, to his death, to himself, that we can be habilitated to be men and women of reconciliation. What does it mean, at times, to go on the road of Calvary. It means, at times, to pass through the Cross; it means misunderstanding, misinterpretation; it means incomprehension, because there are so many Christians that are so self-defining that they don’t succeed in making space for love, they don’t succeed in living love. And we want to come out of this prison; we want to be men and women of reconciliation.
I am happy to conclude these reflections with a thought of Francis of Assisi, whom I’m sure you love very much, evidently, because you chose the name Francis. But I want to tell you that Evangelicals also love Francis very much, even from the historical point of view. If I think of the Waldensians, for instance: who have a sensibility which is – let’s say – profoundly Franciscan. They have the same type of cut, of sensibility, of spirituality and we are connected to that history; we are connected to that sensibility … Some modern sensibilities don’t please us in the living of a Christian. Francis says: “Begin to do the necessary, then do what is possible and suddenly you will discover you are able to do the impossible.” This seemed an impossible thing! God bless you!
Now we introduce Pope Francis, who would like to share some thoughts with us, what he has in his heart …. There is nothing organized. It is a “Pentecostal” meeting, so we appeal to the Holy Spirit to guide Pope Francis. Please.
[Original Text: Italian]
[Translation by Zenit]

source : Evangelical Pastor Giovanni Traettino's Words to Pope Francis in Caserta

12 comments:

  1. Dear Call Me Jorge. As usual the "professional journalists" have not done their job so it is up to us the bloggers to fill in the details. Have you seen a full guest list of those present at Caserta? I haven't but I would love to see it.

    Two names were mentioned in a Boston Globe article -- "Matteo Calisi, former president of the Catholic Charismatic movement, and Jorge Himitian, an Argentinian Protestant".

    http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/world/2014/07/28/pope-apologizes-for-catholic-persecution-pentecostals/5HQGujRn8fagi3NpYl8b2M/story.html

    Of course by now we know who Matteo Calisisi is. So I searched online for Jorge Himitian. (Why can't the "professional journalists" do this? Isn't that supposed to be what they get paid for?)

    I found that there was another meeting of evangelicals with bergoglio that had not received any press attention -- at least not in the English press. This occurred on May 29, 2013 -- more than a year ago.

    http://movil.protestantedigital.com/ES/Internacional/articulo/16696/Pastores-argentinos-oran-con-el-papa-francisco-en

    "Seis pastores evangélicos de la Argentina conversaron y oraron el 29 de mayo con el papa Francisco en la residencia de Santa Marta, en el Vaticano."

    TRANSLATION: "Six evangelical pastors from Argentina conversed and prayed with Pope Francis on May 29 at Casa Santa Marta in the Vatican."

    The article ends with this KILLER QUOTE from Jorge Himitian :
    "Parece más un pastor carismático que un cura o un obispo."

    TRANSLATION: "He seems more like a charismatic preacher than a [Catholic] priest or a bishop."

    I agree 100% with Himitian and I'm sure by now that you and many others are reaching this same conclusion.

    Kyrie Eleison!

    If you aren't sick yet and you can understand a little Portuguese spoken with a Spanish accent then watch this video of Himitian where he explains why some "catholic charismatics" decide to stay in the Catholic Church (while others leave and become protestant evangelicals). According to Himitian it is because they want to stay and "convert" other Catholics to become "catholic charismatics".

    http://vimeo.com/m/96437695

    Now are you getting sick? All of this brought to you by none-other-than the "humble and merciful" bergoglio -- a wolf in sheep's clothing if there ever was one! Christ himself warned us about such false prophets.

    One last quote from Himitian:
    "Dios lo había escogido como un profeta a las naciones y que no tuviera temor a dar la palabra como Dios se la daba."

    TRANSLATION: "[Himitian told bergoglio that] God has chosen you to be a prophet to the nations and you should not be afraid to pronounce the word of God just as He has given it to you."

    My questions are "which god?" and "how can bergoglio maintain so much humility while being the 'chosen prophet of the nations'?"

    The man must by now think that he is a "living saint". He is definitely possessed by some spirit. I would suggest he seek the assistance of the best exorcist in Rome. And I'm not joking or being sarcastic. Jorge Bergoglio, get thee to an exorcist!

    .... for your good and the good of the Holy Catholic Church.

    Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us!

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    1. Michael,

      It is quite the coincidence you bringing up this Himitian! We were preparing ,earlier this week, a post on the visit of his to the Vatican with another group of Evangelicals. We are quite aware who he is but hadn't seen the videos or the articles you linked to. It's been a while since any of us have had to speak Portuguese but we managed. Thanks for them. Francis' reign is like a hydra. Every time we cut off a head two more appear! Keeping up with a 77 year old is hard to say the least. We are also preparing a post on Francis' visit to Yad Vashem. We bring this up because we are going to use your insight on the matter. Your blog is very good! Also, like the post you did on Iron Man. We think in a different manner and appreciate you expanding our world view. Thanks for your blog and for all your comments here. We read them all and check out everything you send if we haven't replied.

      Yours in Christ,

      Call Me Jorge...

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  2. Dear Call Me Jorge. Thank you for your much needed words of encouragement. It is exhausting as you must know doing this work of tearing the mask off of bergoglio. And there is no pleasure in it. I know that without the help of God I could not do it.

    Little by little more people are becoming aware of exactly what we are faced with and are beginning to speak out. These are crucial times and I feel like there is no time to rest. And there is no more important thing to do at this time then the work that you are doing here. I comment here because I'm sure that you are reaching a wide audience and you also have influence over other bloggers.

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  3. On the Holocaust Memorial I never finished expressing my thoughts -- what I had uncovered. The missing part is basically this.....

    Bergoglio quotes from the Book of Baruch. This is odd because this book is not accepted by protestants nor is it accepted by Jews. This is especially strange coming from bergoglio who is a staunch supporter of ecumenism.

    The significance of the specific passages that he quotes from Baruch are that they are "the prayer and confession of sin of a penitent people".

    http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Book_of_Baruch#Liturgical_use

    This reinforces the message that I have suggested that bergoglio is sending which is that Christians -- and especially Catholics -- are guilty of the crime of genocide and need to atone for these sins and repent. This is completely the opposite of the actual deicide that was committed when Christ was crucified. And clearly the Gospel tells us that the Jewish people in Jerusalem at the time of Christ and their leaders had a role to play in this by denouncing Christ before the Roman authorities and demanding his crucifixion.

    Please see also a comment I left at the Eponymous Flower regarding bergoglio's prayer at the Holocaust Memorial.

    http://eponymousflower.blogspot.nl/2014/05/what-kind-of-theology-did-pope-francis.html

    This goes along with the painting of the "white crucifix". The symbolism there is meant to replace the crucifixion of Christ (deicide) with the Nazi persecution of Jews (genocide). And clearly this has been a successful propaganda campaign. The culture no longer considers the greatest crime in all of history to be the crucifixion.

    Rather than the suffering of the passion of Christ, children in schools are taught about the sufferings of Jews -- as if this were the only case of genocide in history. Ignoring for instance the much more numerous murders committed by the communists in Russia -- many of which were Jews. And most of their victims were Christians. How many Christian churches were destroyed by the Russian communists? But all we hear about is Kristalnacht.

    What about the Kulturkampf in Germany that persecuted the Catholic Church that was also supported by Jews? And ultimately this caused a backlash of anti-Jewish sentiments in Germany and perhaps helped to inspire Hitler and many of his supporters.

    But if we speak of such things we are labeled "anti-semitic", while it is perfectly socially acceptable to express all sort of anti-Christian and especially anti-Catholic thoughts. But I don't need to tell you these things.

    Right now Israel is engaged in another genocidal campaign against the Palestinians in Gaza which is an exact replay of the last genocidal attack on Gaza and yet there is no price to pay for Israel from the international community.

    And Israel and the United States are funding and encouraging attacks on Christian communities throughout the Middle East. And again there is no price to pay.

    At the same time bergoglio forces Catholics to accept some sort of imagined blame for the loss of Jewish lives during WWII and offers a public apology.

    The Church's enemies have been highly successful in silencing her at a time when her voice needs to be heard more than ever. But with the help of God and the intercession of Holy Mother Mary the Church will prevail against her enemies.

    Viva Cristo Rey!
    [Enjoy the video of a Hymn to Christ the King.]
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZAUccwqVEY

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    1. Michael,

      Here are two posts on the White Crucifixion you may not have seen.

      Call Me Jorge...

      http://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2014/05/update-on-white-crucifixion.html
      http://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2014/06/addendum-to-white-crucifixion.html

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    2. Hi CMJ. I read your posts on the white crucifix at the time you published them. I learned a great deal from them.

      Hear is one for you on bergoglio's taste in sacred art. I have not had the stomach to publish this myself, but I think it needs to be brought to the attention of the Catholic public. All you will need to do is post these two images together.

      http://serony.com/ken/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/IMG_0001-e1338816693567.jpg

      http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9lGYyTUAkRY/Tl9pnuKyRLI/AAAAAAAAAJQ/4_jXBx5LjdM/s400/agenzia%2Bmassonica%2Bgustavo%2Braffi.jpg

      Notice the knot in the background and compare it with the knots in the painting. (Notice that we have not heard anything more about this sacriligious painting of Our Lady.)

      When I saw this it literally made me feel sick.

      Combine that with " Italian Freemasonry officially supports
      Pope Bergoglio "
      http://www.traditioninaction.org/ProgressivistDoc/A_162_Berg-GOI.html

      And then add a little background on knots and freemasonry.
      http://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/knotted_rope.html

      " Since early antiquity, knotted cords have been used for magical purposes; primarily purposes associated with the binding capability of knots. In this regard knots were viewed to hold the power to bind or store spells and enchantments until they were released through the act of untying. "

      I have noticed multiple instances like this where bergoglio seems to be sending hidden signals to his (brother?) freemasons that he is doing their work. Usually the signals are much more subtle. In this case it is quite blatant. Although, that won't keep most people from pre-conceiving that it is not possible for the pope to be in league with freemasons and therefore reject the whole thing as a kooky conspiracy plot.

      So if you like "kooky conspiracy plots" here goes. IMO bergoglio is saying that he is untying the knots -- releasing the spells. These are satanic knots that have their origin in the Garden of Eden. The Mary in the painting is an anti-Mary. Instead of crushing the head of the serpent, she is releasing the serpent. Notice that the string with knots has a snake-like appearance. Bergoglio has certainly unleashed a great deal of evil on the world since he became pope. That is indisputable.

      Another more subtle masonic signal that bergoglio has sent has to do with gardens. I will admit that this one is somewhat dubious, but it fits the pattern.

      Recently bergoglio received seeds from Obama and the Queen of England from their gardens to be planted in the Vatican Gardens. Then bergoglio planted an olive tree from the Jewish state of Israel in the Vatican Garden. This could symbolize planting the seed of masonry in the Vatican -- in the Catholic Church. Freemasons attach significance to the Garden of Eden. There is more... but that is the rough outline.

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    3. Michael - thank you thank you for these comments and links. This garden thing seems to be tied in with what Martina posted about Berg giving baby Prince George the bauble that looked very much like what the Infant of Prague statue holds in his hand as a gift. That was very creepy.

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    4. Michael - I took a look at the picture of the Blessed Virgin and there is a novena to "Mary Untier of Knots" which my sede friend recommended to me and I presumed it was a trad novena predating Vatican II but....now that you have posted this I would be interested in knowing the origin of that novena, what period of the Church it dates from, etc. My friend portrayed it to me as the Blessed Virgin assisting us to untie the knots - or the messes - we have made with our lives and in that respect it didn't strike me as occultic in any way, but the problem has become that we have to now question everything that comes out of the conciliar 'church' on whether or not it has any validity in the pre Vatican II religion or not.

      Anyone else that can shed some light on this I personally would be grateful after what Michael has posted here.

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    5. http://www.maryundoerofknots.com/history.htm

      It is with extreme joy that we bring to you the real history of Mary Undoer of Knots.

      How this devotion started?

      To show us the mission granted to the Virgin Mary by Her Son, an unknown artist painted Mary Undoer of Knots with great grace. Since 1700, his painting has been venerated in the Church of St. Peter in Perlack, Germany. It was originally inspired by a meditation of Saint Irenaeus (Bishop of Lyon and martyred in 202) based on the parallel made by Saint Paul between Adam and Christ. Saint Irenaeus, in turn, made a comparison between Eve and Mary, saying:
      "Eve, by her disobedience, tied the knot of disgrace for the human race; whereas Mary, by her obedience, undid it".

      But what are these knots?

      They are the problems and struggles we face for which we do not see any solution.
      Knots of discord in your family, lack of understanding between parents and children, disrespect, violence, the knots of deep hurts between husband and wife, the absence of peace and joy at home. They are also the knots of anguish and despair of separated couples, the dissolution of the family, the knots of a drug addict son or daughter, sick or separated from home or God, knots of alcoholism, the practice of abortion, depression, unemployment, fear, solitude…Ah, the knots of our life! How they suffocate the soul, beat us down and betray the heart’s joy and separate us from God.

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    6. http://taylormarshall.com/2013/12/mary-undoer-of-knots-pope-francis-favorite-marian-devotion.html

      You appear to be correct however Michael that this is Bergoglio's favorite devotion to the Blessed Virgin apparently. One wonders what the background of the 'anonymous' painter that painted this painting.

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    7. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Untier_of_Knots

      This Catholic devotion has grown since Jorge Mario Bergoglio, S.J. (later Archbishop of Buenos Aires and Pope Francis), brought a postcard of the painting to Argentina in the 1980s after seeing the original while studying in Germany.[6][7][8] The devotion reached Brazil near the end of the 20th century. According to Regina Novaes, of the Institute of Religious Studies in Rio de Janeiro, Mary Untier of Knots "attracts people with small problems".[5] Bergoglio had this image of Mary engraved on a chalice he presented to Pope Benedict XVI and another chalice bearing her image, the work of the same silversmith, is to be presented to Pope Francis on behalf of the Argentine people.[6]

      In Buenos Aires, a copy of the icon was made and left by the artist, Dr. Ana de Betta Berti,[9] for the Church of San José del Talar, which has had it since 8 December 1996. On the 8th of each month, thousands of people make the pilgrimage to this church.[10]

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  4. Since there was so much interest in this topic I decided to post an article on my blog "bergoglio's devotion to a masonic anti-Mary?"

    http://publicvigil.blogspot.com/2014/08/bergoglios-devotion-to-masonic-anti-mary.html

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