Thursday, July 31, 2014

more evangelicals visited Francis in 2013

Pastor Jorge Himitián another Evangelical friend of Francis.

"He (Francis) seems more like a charismatic preacher than a (Catholic) priest or a bishop."
- Jorge Himitián -


In 2003 Jorge Himitián met the lay leader of the Catholic Charismatic Movement, Matteo Calisi, when Calisi traveled to Buenos Aires. Through Calisi, Himitián met Giovanni Traettino and others in the movement.  In 2005, Calisi organized a one day retreat at UCA de Puerto Madero with over 800 people in attendance. Half were Charismatic catholics and the other half were Evangelicals. The following year in 2006 Matteo Calisi organized a meeting in Luna Park with two featured speakers, Raniero Cantalamessa, the preacher of the Pontifical Household, and Giovanni Traettino from the evangelical side. It was at this meeting Himitián met Bergoglio and their friendship began. Since that fateful day in 2006, Jorge Mario Bergoglio and the Evangelicals met every two months until he was elected to succeed Benedict XVI. The meetings took place at halls, churches, in cities, towns, and once a year a retreat lasting three days for pastors and priests was held.  Don't forget they still had their annual gathering of C.R.E.C.E.S. (Renewed Community of Catholics and Evangelicals in the Holy Spirit).


 Six Evangelicals from Argentina visit their old friend Francis.

A few months after his election, some of the pastors from Argentina were traveling to Europe and dropped in to see Francis. The ministers were Jorge Himitián, Norberto Saracco, Carlos Mraida, Omar Cabrera, Angel Negro y Humberto Golluscio. The meeting lasted for 80 minutes. It consisted of small talk and prayer just like the old days in Argentina when they used to get together. Sometime during this encounter Jorge Himitián slipped Francis a letter from Giovanni Traettino in which he wrote, he would like to continue his friendship with Francis and invited him to visit his congregation in Caserta. Francis responded to Himitián to tell Traettino he would visit him sometime in the future but the visit would be a private one. Francis specified he would not be representing the Catholic Church when he came to visit and Giovanni wouldn't be representing the Evangelicals. It would just be two old friends coming together. 

During this visit Himitián also shared with Francis what many were feeling which was, 


"God has chosen you to be a prophet to the nations and you should not be afraid to pronounce the word of God just as He has given it to you."


Himitián has also stated Raniero Cantalamessa told him that Martin Luther was correct and people are saved by faith alone. Cantalamessa further told him the 1997 agreement, The Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification, signed by the Vatican and Lutherans agrees on this. Lastly, Jorge Himitián has said he felt it was only a matter of time until the Evangelicals and the Catholics merge as their differences are not that great and can be negotiated. According to him, one day God will sort it all out.
 

"What we see and it is clear, is that if we evangelize without proselytizing we are going to fill both evangelical and Catholic churches."
- Jorge Himitián -


An interesting side note is Himitián's daughter, Evangelina has written a biography of Francis which is in production to being made a movie. Evangelina has even met with Francis to personally give him his own copy of the book.

Evangelina presenting Francis with his biography.

Rabbi Abraham Skorka, Evangelina Himitián, 
and Jose Ignacio Lopez discuss Francis.


 
sources:  

Wednesday, July 30, 2014

Even the Vatican itself doesn't know what Francis said!

Nor does Michael Voris!


According to Michael Voris and ChurchMilitant.TV the nonsense about Francis has to STOP!  And NOW!  In one of their latest Vortex videos, Voris laughably says Francis is ill quoted and misrepresented!  Do any readers of Call Me Jorge... think we do this?  Voris insists one should ignore the media and blogs until the Vatican and/or Voris can clarify what Francis really meant to say.  In other words don't believe the conclusions you have reached (with your ears, eyes, Catholic morals, and your brain) but wait for the gatekeepers to explain away all that heretical behavior of Francis.  The first misleading point Voris makes in his video is what the term civil union in Italy means.  The definition of civil union in Italy is when two people of the opposite sex get married in front of a government official with two witnesses.  We will say more on this in a moment.  Next, Voris makes his listeners think Italy is different from the United States if one is a Catholic when it comes to marriage but this simply isn't true.  See he leads the listener to believe if you are Catholic one needs to have a civil marriage before one has a marriage in the church.  This is only the case for non-Catholics.  From the United States Diplomatic Mission to Italy


Religious Ceremony: A religious ceremony is considered valid if performed by a Roman Catholic priest.  A separate civil ceremony will not be necessary, as the priest will register the marriage with the civil authorities.

...A religious ceremony performed by non-Roman Catholic clergy requires that a civil ceremony be performed prior to the religious one to ensure the legality of the marriage.  If you are planning such a religious ceremony, you should consult with the priest, minister, or rabbi far in advance of the actual ceremony.

See how Voris plays fast and loose with the facts?  He is as guilty of the same thing he is accusing others of!  Not to mention back in Argentina, Cardinal Bergoglio was against same-sex marriage under the auspices of the church but for same-sex civil union contracts by the Argentinian government!   Pro-sodomy activist, Marcelo Marquez wrote a letter to the Argentinean church leaders upset about them not supporting same-sex marriage.  Less than one hour later his phone rang and on the other end was Cardinal Bergoglio.

"He told me. ... 'I'm in favor of gay rights and in any case, I also favor civil unions for homosexuals, but I believe that Argentina is not yet ready for a gay marriage law.'"

Voris then informs everyone how ill informed they are about same-sex civil unions as if in Europe the countries which have them are rare.

European Countries which recognize same-sex civil unions:
  • Belgium
  • France
  • Denmark
  • Iceland
  • Portugal 
  • Netherlands
  • Luxembourg *
  • United Kingdom
  • Sweden
  • Spain
* enacted in 2014 and will become law 1 January 2015

Voris ignores these facts on same-sex civil unions in Italy:
  • 155 municipalities  that have approved the register of same-sex civil unions
  • 5 municipalities issue same-sex couples the certificate of a registered family
  • 8 district councils which have approved  the register of same-sex civil unions

Mike also fails to mention troubling recent behavior:

Voris also turns a blind eye to the past behavior of Francis.  According to Leonardo Boff in a Der Spiegel interview, 

For example, a few months ago he explicitly permitted a homosexual couple to adopt a child. He kept in touch with priests who were expelled from the official church because they had gotten married. And no one could ever persuade him to change his position, which was: we have to be on the side of the poor, even if it means opposing the powerful.

Did you catch that?  He permitted a child to be adopted by sodomites when he was Archbishop of Argentina!  This is clearly against Catholic teaching.  Has Francis changed since moving to the Vatican?  Nope!  Did you hear a peep from the Vatican when on 5 April 2014 two lesbians had their daughter baptized at Cordoba Cathedral?  Sources in the church said, 

"if Jorge Bergoglio were not Pope, it would have been more complicated."

Once again this is against Catholic teaching.  Children are to be raised in a Catholic home and bishops as well as priests are instructed to forcibly remove the child from the home if this isn't the case.  Sodomy, lesbianism, whatever you want to call it, it isn't Catholic.  Don't believe us, then look it up  in a commentary on Canon Law.  We haven't even mentioned, this same couple was married in an Argentinian civil union because of a law Francis supported! 

Back to Voris and his Vortex of distortion.  Here is the quote from the interview of Francis by Ferruccio de Bortoli which Voris refers to but doesn't provide the viewer with.

Many countries have regulated civil unions. Is it a path that the Church can understand? But up to what point?
Francis: Marriage is between one man and one woman. The secular States want to justify civil unions to regulate different situations of coexistence, spurred by the need to regulate economic aspects between persons as, for instance, to ensure healthcare. Each case must be looked at and evaluated in its diversity.

It is clear from the above quote Francis differentiates between marriages and civil unions however he doesn't differentiate between civil unions between heterosexuals and same-sex civil unions.   Francis doesn't come out and condemn this sinful behavior of same-sex civil unions instead he leaves the door open.   Before one believes the official what he really said look at the words above "different situations of coexistence" and "diversity".  Notice Voris in the video makes you think the question is about Italy when the interviewer said, "many countries."  Voris on the other hand says everyone got what Francis said wrong and sets up a straw man which he can attack to make himself look good.  Does Voris' behavior remind you of anyone?  Francis perhaps?  

It's not in this video but in others Voris has said the reason for this quote getting explosive play in the media is also due to it being mistranslated!  He tells listeners the Vatican translations are atrocious and at fault for making Francis seem un-catholic.  Who buys this hooey?  We compared the translation above to the original Italian and while it is not a literal translation it does say the same thing.  

What is growing old is the same old monotonous excuses Voris comes up for Francis' behavior as well as his ostrich-like response, where he sticks his head into the ground, when he doesn't want to address Francis' behavior because he cannot defend it.  If you don't like the "3rd rate chatter" of this blog and believe Francis is misunderstood and want to hear excuses for Francis instead, sign up for Voris' Retreat at Sea and tell him Call Me Jorge... sent you!

A more fitting name for churchmilitant.tv is churchdilettante.tv

And now onto Michael Voris and the Vortex...


Even the Vatican Itself Doesn't Know what Francis Said!



Remember to chill out and wait for the official word from the Vatican unless you are Voris mis-reporting that Francis is about to take a broom to the Curia and sack them all!

Traettino puts his spiritual hug into words for Francis

Evangelical Pastor Giovanni Traettino's Words to Pope Francis in Caserta

"You, with your visit here, which has demonstrated that you take reconciliation seriously, show that you are a man of reconciliation, I would say a prophet of reconciliation"

Caserta,  (Zenit.org)

Before Pope Francis addressed Monday the Pentecostal community known as the Evangelical Church of Reconciliation in Caserta, Italy, his friend from his days in Buenos Aires, Evangelical Pastor Giovanni Traettino, addressed the Pope.
Below is a translation of the pastor's words.
***
It’s lovely to be before the Lord, no? (People answer: yes!). There is no better place in the world than to be in the presence of God., there is still a better place, to live in the presence of God! It is there that we experience the most profound joys, the truest joys; it is there that our life is transformed and that we become ever more similar to Him.
I wish to share some considerations and, in particular, dearest Pope Francis, my beloved brother, our joy is great because of your visit, my personal joy, that of my family, that of the whole of our community and of our spiritual family, of our guests and of our friends. A great and unexpected gift, unthinkable a short time ago. You will be able to read it in the eyes of the children and the elderly, of young people and of families. We love you very much! And there is something you must know: there is for your person, also among us Evangelicals, so much affection, and so many of us pray for you every day: also every day they pray for you. After all, it is so easy to love you very much. Several of us even believe that your election as Bishop of Rome was wrought by the Holy Spirit. A blessing above all for the whole of Christianity in dealing with the world: this is what I personally think. With this gesture of yours, wholly unexpected and surprising, you have given visibility and concreteness to what appears ever more to be the leading reason for your existence and, hence, of your ministry, because life always precedes ministry. Overcoming with one blow the complications of protocol, you know how to go directly to the heart of life and of human relations and, in particular, in the relation with whom you recognize as brother: to encounter one’s brother, to encounter him where he is, to encounter him as he is. In our case then, to visit us, you actually had to endure two days of exertion. We are particularly grateful to you!
It wasn’t enough for you to entrust your heart to a document or a message … Evidently, you have reflected much on the Incarnation of Jesus Christ: you wanted to touch us, you wanted to come in person, to embrace us in person. You have shown great courage – liberty and courage! And you have given yourself, in simplicity and weakness, to our diversity, but also to our embrace. With men like you, dear Pope Francis, there is hope for us Christians. For all! With just one gesture, you have widened the door, you have accelerated the realization of God’s dream. You have become part of Jesus’ prayer: that they may all be one.” And you did so with that glory of which John speaks in chapter 17: with that glory without which it is impossible to build unity. I speak of the glory of humility. As someone said, humility is at the heart of glory. And he adds: a bit of power is enough to exhibit oneself, much is needed to withdraw. God is unlimited power of withdrawal of self, of hiding. Also from this, perhaps above all from this, Christ’s disciples are recognized.
“Truth is an encounter”: it is the title of one of the last collections of your lovely morning meditations at Saint Martha’s. Truth is an encounter, but it is also a central truth for every Christian, for everyone who has converted to Christ and had a personal encounter with Him. How many times in your teachings you return to the invitation to conversion and to the personal encounter with Christ. It is obvious that this truth is at the center of your life, living matter of your spiritual experience, inspirational motive of your existence. For me, who observe you, it cannot be otherwise. It fills me with joy, because Christ is also the precious pearl, excuse me, He is the precious pearl of all Christians, also of us Evangelicals. I saw that day before yesterday you spoke of Him at Caserta. He is the center and the heart of our life, the very reason of our existence. We would be lost without Jesus! Our sole reason to live and exist is Jesus! However, it is in fact the passion that we bear for the centrality of Christ that makes us Evangelicals, with solid and serene conviction. Therefore, we also live and experience in a new way our being Evangelicals, which is no longer nourished by anti-Catholicism – as it was for some time – but which, recognizes our own origins and roots  in the historical tree of Christianity, Catholicism and the Reformation included.  You have learned to relate in a constructive and redemptive way with those whom you recognize as your fathers and brothers  and to take out from your treasure – as the Gospel writes – things new and things old. You have learned – we are always learning more – that the whole field must be bought, as Jesus says in another part of the Gospel, to take possession of the whole treasure. One must have the whole field to discover the treasure, without giving up the work of discernment made with the Word of God, but examining everything and keeping the good. In this way we are less exposed to the risk of disdaining the contribution of brothers, of extinguishing the Spirit or even of attributing to other sources what instead is of the Lord, as Paul exhorts us in the Letter to the Thessalonians: “Do not extinguish the Spirit, do not scorn the prophecies, but examine everything and keep the good. And again, each one must abstain from every sort of evil.”
Hence truth is an encounter and the encounter with Christ is the encounter of life: it is what gives truth and foundation to every other encounter. This is my experience. My encounters and my relations with my neighbor are profoundly marked by my encounter with Jesus. This is the central message, the nucleus, the DNA of the Gospel. This is the heart of evangelical preaching; this is the terrain on which to build every possible dialogue between us and the path of unity between the Churches. As it is written: “No one can lay another foundation other than that already laid, namely Christ Jesus.” And again:
Speaking of Evangelicals, some time ago, Father Raniero Cantalamessa described them as “Christians with the charism of the essential.” It is a description that I like very much. I share it. And some years ago, Cardinal Piovanelli of Florence, proclaimed to anyone who asked him a forecast for the third millennium: “It will be an age in which there will be a return to the fundamental principles of Christianity.” I also believe this. It is necessary, it is indispensable  that we return to the fundamental principles. Cardinal Kasper, instead, who I know is your friend, has spoken of “a fundamental ecumenism and a spiritual ecumenism”: here too we are in line. He says:Christians are not united among themselves, they are, first of all, one in Christ. And only that union and communion with Christ makes true communion possible between men and Him. The Lord is the center of the unity. And the force that works and orders this unity is the Holy Spirit.” Perhaps it is in fact from this understanding that Christianity must start again. This is the fundamental perimeter of our communion and it is here that I believe I can say the greatest contribution lies – also historical and theological – of the prophecy of the first Reformation and then of the evangelical world after. I believe this is the fundamental prophecy for the benefit of the whole Body of Christ and of the Church, if the history of Christianity has some meaning …
The Apostle Paul says: “Because no one can lay another foundation other than that already laid – namely Christ Jesus.” Therefore Christ -- to put Christ at the foundation; to build on Christ; to be pressed tightly around Christ; to grow towards Christ. He is the foundation of the life of the believer: conversion to Christ, a personal relation with Christ, the imitation of Christ, which is not possible without the presence of the life of Christ. From Christ’s life we receive the strength for the imitation of Christ, to become saints. The formation of Christ is rendered possible by Christ’s life in us. He is the foundation on which we grow: we are born again, but then we grow. And this is the foundation on which the existence of the Church is built, again Christ: the Incarnation of Christ, as proper method, as style of life; identification with the poor, with the needy, with those in difficulty -- the life of Christ, the style with which He lived. And so often the Christianity of our time is in need of reformation and revision of life, because models are proposed which are very far from the Gospel. The life of Christ, the death of Christ: to be able to live of Christ, we too must die to ourselves, so that the life of the Spirit can exist in us and, therefore, the Resurrection, the Ascension, with the crowning of the descent of the Holy Spirit, which is indispensable for us to be able to live the Christian life.
I also believe that, in the development of spaces of communion between the different communities, we speak again of Christ, of the return to the essential of the Gospel and there we discover that this space is again Christ, the proclamation of Christ – the “kerigma,” the teaching of Christ – the “didake” – the formation of Christ in us. Like you, I quote a most beautiful and ancient prayer, which I imagine you recite every day: “In Christ, with Christ, by Christ, to you God Almighty Father, in the unity of the Holy Spirit, all honor and glory for ever and ever.” I think this makes a good synthesis of what the thought is, which I wish to stress.
One last word. We are, we live between the “now” and the “not yet” – as someone has said – and our experience is an experience of suffering, of pain, of toil in advancing in the dialogue between Christians, in experiencing communion. It is the plane of faith: “you are only one body,” of which dear Jorge Himitian spoke yesterday, “may they be one,” we are on the plane of faith, “the Tabernacle of God among men,” of which Revelation 21 speaks. This is the plane of faith, but then there is the plane of history. The plane of history is that of our experience, where we experience the shame of division, of wars between Christians, of hostilities, of persecutions, also in Italy: unfortunately for many years we experienced persecutions, the Pentecostals particularly, in the years from ’35 to ’55 the notorious… In the middle was the time of reconciliation, the time of ethics, if you wish, the time of love, the time of responsibility, which must be filled by men and women of reconciliation. You, with your visit here, which has demonstrated that you take reconciliation seriously, show that you are a man of reconciliation, I would say a prophet of reconciliation.
Through Christ God has reconciled us with Himself – says the Apostle Paul (Second Letter to the Corinthians) , and He has entrusted to us the ministry of reconciliation. Our spiritual family has chosen this theme for its existence: Church of reconciliation. However, He has entrusted to all Christians the ministry of reconciliation, from the experience they have within this ministry. He has sown, implanted within us – says the Apostle Paul – the word of reconciliation (2 Corinthians 5:19). It is from this word of reconciliation, which is Jesus himself; He is the word of reconciliation within us, nourishing us to Him, to his spirit, to his sensibility, to his death, to himself, that we can be habilitated to be men and women of reconciliation. What does it mean, at times, to go on the road of Calvary. It means, at times, to pass through the Cross; it means misunderstanding, misinterpretation; it means incomprehension, because there are so many Christians that are so self-defining that they don’t succeed in making space for love, they don’t succeed in living love. And we want to come out of this prison; we want to be men and women of reconciliation.
I am happy to conclude these reflections with a thought of Francis of Assisi, whom I’m sure you love very much, evidently, because you chose the name Francis. But I want to tell you that Evangelicals also love Francis very much, even from the historical point of view. If I think of the Waldensians, for instance: who have a sensibility which is – let’s say – profoundly Franciscan. They have the same type of cut, of sensibility, of spirituality and we are connected to that history; we are connected to that sensibility … Some modern sensibilities don’t please us in the living of a Christian. Francis says: “Begin to do the necessary, then do what is possible and suddenly you will discover you are able to do the impossible.” This seemed an impossible thing! God bless you!
Now we introduce Pope Francis, who would like to share some thoughts with us, what he has in his heart …. There is nothing organized. It is a “Pentecostal” meeting, so we appeal to the Holy Spirit to guide Pope Francis. Please.
[Original Text: Italian]
[Translation by Zenit]

source : Evangelical Pastor Giovanni Traettino's Words to Pope Francis in Caserta

Francis' remarks to evangelicals in Caserta 28 July 2014



VISITA PRIVATA DEL SANTO PADRE A CASERTA
PER L'INCONTRO CON IL PASTORE EVANGELICO GIOVANNI TRAETTINO
DISCORSO DEL SANTO PADRE FRANCESCO
Chiesa pentecostale della Riconciliazione
Caserta - Lunedì, 28 luglio 2014




Pope's Address to Pentecostal Community in Caserta
"The Holy Spirit creates 'diversity' in the Church"
Caserta, July 29, 2014 (Zenit.org)
Below is a translation of Pope Francis' address Monday to the Pentecostal community known as the Evangelical Church of Reconciliation in Caserta, Italy. After visiting Caserta on Saturday, he returned Monday for a private visit.
*** 
Good morning, Brothers and Sisters,

My brother, Pastor John, began by speaking of the center of our life: to be in the presence of Jesus. And then he said “to walk” in the presence of Jesus. And this was the First Commandment God gave to His people, to our Father Abraham: “Go, walk in my presence and be irreproachable.” And then the people walked: sometimes in the presence of the Lord, many times not in the Lord’s presence. They chose idols, gods … But the Lord has patience; He has patience with the people that walk. I don’t understand a Christian who is still! A Christian who doesn’t walk, I cannot understand! A Christian must walk! There are Christians that walk, but not in the presence of Jesus. It is necessary to pray for these brothers. Also for us, when at certain moments we don’t walk in Jesus’ presence, because we are all also sinners, all of us! If one of you isn’t a sinner, raise your hand … To walk in the presence of Jesus.

Christians who are still – this is harmful, because what is still, which doesn’t walk, is corrupted. Like still water, which is the first water to be corrupted, water that doesn’t run … There are Christians who confuse walking with “turning.” They are not “walkers,” they are errant and turn here and there in life. They are in a labyrinth, and wander, wander there … They are lacking the parrhesia, the audacity to go forward; they are lacking hope. Christians without hope turn in life; they are not capable of going forward. We are secure only when we walk in the presence of the Lord Jesus. He illumines us; He gives us his Spirit to walk well.

I think of Abraham’s grandson Jacob. He was tranquil, there, with his children. However, at a certain point famine arrived, and he said to his children, to his eleven children, ten of whom were guilty of betrayal, for having sold their brother: Go to Egypt , go there and buy food, because we have money but we don’t have food. Take the money and buy there, where it is said there is food.” And they began their journey, but instead of finding food, they found their brother! And this is very beautiful!

When one walks in God’s presence, there is this fraternity. When, instead, we are still, when we look too much to one another, there is another way … which is bad, bad!  -- the way of gossip. And we begin to say, “but you, don’t you know?” “No, no, I’m not for you. I’m for this and that …” “I am for Paul,” “I am for Appollos,” “I am for Peter.” And so we begin, and so from the first moment division began in the Church. And it isn’t the Holy Spirit who creates division! He does something that is quite similar to it, but not division. It’s not the Lord Jesus who creates division! He who creates division is in fact the Envious One, the king of envy, the father of envy: the sower of darnel, Satan. He interferes in communities and creates divisions, always! From the first moment, from the first moment of Christianity, this temptation was in the Christian community. “I belong to this one,” I belong to that one.” “No! I am the Church, you are a sect.” And so the one who wins over us is him, the father of division – not the Lord Jesus who prayed for unity (John 17), he prayed!

What does the Holy Spirit do? I said he does something else, which perhaps one might think is division, but it isn’t. The Holy Spirit creates “diversity” in the Church. The First Letter to the Corinthians, chapter 12. He creates diversity! And this diversity is truly very rich, very beautiful. But then, the Holy Spirit himself creates unity, and so the Church is one in diversity. And, to use the word of an Evangelical whom I love very much, a “reconciled diversity” by the Holy Spirit. He creates both things: He creates the diversity of charisms and then He creates the harmony of charisms. Therefore, the early theologians of the Church, the early Fathers – I am speaking of the 3rdor 4thcentury – said: “The Holy Spirit is harmony,” because He creates this harmonious unity in diversity.

We are in the age of globalization, and we wonder what globalization is and what the unity of the Church would be: perhaps a sphere, where all points are equidistant from the center, all are equal? No! This is uniformity. And the Holy Spirit does not create uniformity! What figure can we find? We think of the polyhedron: the polyhedron is a unity, but with all different parts; each one has its peculiarity, its charism. This is unity in diversity. It is on this path that we, Christians, do what we call with the theological name of ecumenism. We try to have this diversity become more harmonized by the Holy Spirit and become unity. We seek to walk in the presence of God to be irreproachable. We seek to find the nourishment of which we are in need to find our brother. This is our way, this is our Christian beauty! I refer to what my beloved brother said at the beginning.

Then he spoke of something else, of the Lord’s Incarnation. The Apostle John is clear: “He who says that the Word did not become flesh, is not of God! He is of the devil.” He is not ours, he is an enemy! Because there was the first heresy – let’s say the word between us – and it was this, which the Apostle condemns: that the Word did not come in the flesh. No! The Incarnation of the Word is at the base: it is Jesus Christ! God and man, Son of God and Son of man, true God and true man. And this is how the first Christians understood him, and they had to struggle so much, so much to keep this truth: the Lord is God and man. The Lord Jesus is God made flesh. It is the mystery of the flesh of Christ: one does not understand love for one’s neighbor; one does not understand love for one’s brother, if one does not understand this mystery of the Incarnation. I love my brother because he too is Christ; he is the flesh of Christ. I love the poor, the widow, the slave, one who is in prison … Let us think of the “protocol” on which we will be judged: Matthew 25. I love all of them, because these persons who suffer are Christ’s flesh, and for us who are on this path of unity, it will do us good to touch the flesh of Christ. To go to the fringes where, in fact, there are so many needy, or – let us say it better – there are so many needy, so many needy … also needy of God, who are hungry – but not for bread, they have so much bread – but for God! And to go there, to express this truth: Jesus Christ is the Lord and He saves you. But go always to touch the flesh of Christ! A purely intellectual Gospel cannot be preached: the Gospel is truth but also love and it is also beauty! And this is the joy of the Gospel! This is in fact the joy of the Gospel.

On this path we have very often done the same thing as Joseph’s brothers, when jealousy and envy have divided us. Those who arrived first wanted to kill their brother – Ruben succeeded in saving him – and then sold him. Our brother John also spoke of this sad story. That sad story in which the Gospel was lived by some as a truth who did not realize that behind this attitude there were ugly things, things that were not of the Lord, a terrible temptation of division. That sad story, in which the same thing was done that Joseph’s brothers did: denunciation, the laws of these people: “it goes against the purity of the race …” And these laws were sanctioned by the baptized! Some of those who made these laws and some of those who persecuted, denounced their Pentecostal brothers because they were “enthusiasts,” almost “madmen “ who ruined the race, some were Catholics … I am the Pastor of Catholics: I ask forgiveness for this! I ask forgiveness or those Catholic brothers and sisters who did not understand and who were tempted by the devil and did the same thing that Joseph’s brothers did. I ask the Lord to He give us the grace to admit and forgive … Thank you!

Then brother John said something which I share totally: truth is an encounter, an encounter between persons. Truth is not made in a laboratory; it is made in life, seeking Jesus to find Him. However, the most beautiful greatest mystery is that, when we find Jesus we realize that He was seeking us first, that He found us first, because He arrives before us! In Spanish I like to say that the Lord firsts us {primerea]. It’s a Spanish word: He precedes us, and He always waits for us. He is first of us. And I believe that Isaiah or Jeremiah -- I have a doubt – says that the Lord is like the flower of the almond tree, which is the first to flower in spring. And the Lord waits for us! Is it Jeremiah? Yes! It is the first one that flowers in spring, it is always the first.
This encounter is beautiful. This encounter fills us with joy, with enthusiasm. We think of the encounter of the first disciples, Andrew and John. When the Baptist said: “Behold the Lamb of God, who takes away the sins of the world.” And they followed Jesus, stayed with Him the whole afternoon. Then, when they left, when they went home, did they say: “We heard a Rabbi” … No! “We found the Messiah!” That encounter which transforms; everything comes from that encounter. This is the path of Christian holiness: to seek Jesus every day to find Him and every day to allow oneself to be sought by Jesus and to allow oneself to be encountered by Jesus.

We are on this path of unity between brothers. Some might be astonished: “But the Pope went to the Evangelicals.” He went to find brothers! Yes! Because – and what I will say is truth – because they were the ones who came first, in Buenos Aires, to find me. And there is a witness here: Jorge Himitian can tell the story about when they came, they approached us … And so this friendship began, this closeness between Pastors of Buenos Aires, and today here. Thank you so much. I ask you to pray for me, I am in need of it so that at least I won’t be so bad. Thank you!

[Original Text: Italian]
[Translation by ZENIT]

 

Tuesday, July 29, 2014

Talmudic Judaism the religion of peace

Looks like Francis' recent trip to Israel is paying off in spades!  His "elder brothers" are really taking his message of peace to heart.  Watching the video below should make one feel all warm and fuzzy inside for the eternal victim, Israel.  Really, don't those despicable Palestinians know that the peace loving Talmudists want peace?  Why are the Palestinians so hateful?  Can't they just embrace the packages of love Israel drops from the sky to them?  Maybe, if Francis continues his prayers for them, the Palestinians will soon submit to the religion of peace.  Oh and don't forget Max Krah also stands with Israel!

"There's no school tomorrow, there are no children left in Gaza!"


Same video without subtitles.  Crowd chanting: "There's no school tomorrow, there are no children left in Gaza!" & “I hate all Arabs!” & “Gaza is a graveyard!" & "Ahmad Tibi, I wanted you to know, the next child to get hit is yours!”

More at the blog, Maurice Pinay:

Church Authorities using the Italian Carabinieri (police) to silence blog, Fides et Forma, that has criticized Franics' handling of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate


Free Gaza From Hamas!

...so says Max Krah.

He's back or he was in the United States of America until recently.  While in the USA, Max found time in his busy schedule to support the cause so very close to his heart.  Too bad Max didn't post a selfie of himself at the rally.  We wonder if his global Zionist B.F.F. and handler, Oren Heiman was in attendance at Times Square as well?  If there is anything worthy of mention, could someone translate the German below for us?


After all nothing says one stands with the besieged and dying Christians in the Gaza Strip like flying the Israeli flag! 


Two videos below show what type of "peace demonstration" the We Stand With Israel Rally was.  Somewhere in the crowd of 5,000 in attendance was Max Krah.

Israel Wants Peace, Hamas Wants War


Hamas = Al-Qaida


For those who don't know, Hamas is a creature of Israel.  Richard Sale of the UPI lays it out in an article he wrote in 2002, Analysis: Hamas history tied to Israel,

Israel and Hamas may currently be locked in deadly combat, but, according to several current and former U.S. intelligence officials, beginning in the late 1970s, Tel Aviv gave direct and indirect financial aid to Hamas over a period of years.

Israel "aided Hamas directly -- the Israelis wanted to use it as a counterbalance to the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization)," said Tony Cordesman, Middle East analyst for the Center for Strategic Studies.
Israel's support for Hamas "was a direct attempt to divide and dilute support for a strong, secular PLO by using a competing religious alternative," said a former senior CIA official.

..."The Israelis are like a guy who sets fire to his hair and then tries to put it out by hitting it with a hammer."

"They do more to incite and sustain terrorism than curb it," he said.

We can hear the complaints,"that's an old article from 2002 and only one source."  Well for doubters, here is a more recent quote from the Wall Street Journal article written by Andrew Higgins, How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas,

Surveying the wreckage of a neighbor's bungalow hit by a Palestinian rocket, retired Israeli official Avner Cohen traces the missile's trajectory back to an "enormous, stupid mistake" made 30 years ago.

"Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel's creation," says Mr. Cohen, a Tunisian-born Jew who worked in Gaza for more than two decades. Responsible for religious affairs in the region until 1994, Mr. Cohen watched the Islamist movement take shape, muscle aside secular Palestinian rivals and then morph into what is today Hamas, a militant group that is sworn to Israel's destruction.

Instead of trying to curb Gaza's Islamists from the outset, says Mr. Cohen, Israel for years tolerated and, in some cases, encouraged them as a counterweight to the secular nationalists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and its dominant faction, Yasser Arafat's Fatah. Israel cooperated with a crippled, half-blind cleric named Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, even as he was laying the foundations for what would become Hamas.

Or how about this quote from investigative journalist Richard Dreyfuss's book on terrorism, Devil's Game: How the United States Helped Unleash Fundamentalist Islam and on page 191 one reads,

"And beginning in 1967 through the late 1980s, Israel helped the Muslim Brotherhood establish itself in the occupied territories.  It assisted Ahmed Yassin, the leader of the Brotherhood, in creating Hamas, betting that its Islamist character would weaken the PLO."
"And beginning in 1967 through the late 1980s, Israel helped the Muslim Brotherhood establish itself in the occupied territories.  It assisted Ahmed Yassin, the leader of the Brotherhood, in creating Hamas, betting that its Islamist character would weaken the PLO."
"And beginning in 1967 through the late 1980s, Israel helped the Muslim Brotherhood establish itself in the occupied territories.  It assisted Ahmed Yassin, the leader of the Brotherhood, in creating Hamas, betting that its Islamist character would weaken the PLO."

In case the above isn't enough for the doubters here is the former Representative for Texas, Ron Paul addressing the House of Representatives on the same matter.



This leaves us two options to choose from:  1) either Max Krah is very naive and takes Israeli propaganda at face value, or 2) Max Krah is a deep cover agent of Zionism who grew up in Commie East Germany and works for the FSSPX.  Having had friends talk to Mr. Krah and knowing what he does for work we at Call Me Jorge... can scratch #1 off the list which leaves us with #2.

We do have one request for Mr. Krah and that is to tell his Israeli friends to renounce their perfidious religion, embrace the Kingship of Christ, and to leave Palestine to the people they stole it from.

Monday, July 28, 2014

photos from Francis' 2nd trip to Caserta to see the evangelicals

...and three videos







 The papal econobox arrives at Giovanni Traettino's home.

 A big crowd turns out to see the rock star Francis.

 Papal security was working extra hard.

 Leaving the home after privately meeting with Traettino.

 Getting ready to depart for Traettino's less than half built mega box.

Arriving at Traettino's mega box.

Waving to his adoring fans.

 Has to carry his black briefcase and keep in character.

 More waving to his fawning fans.

 Spiritual hugs all around!

 Why is this guy kissing Francis' hand?

 Entering the mega box.

 More fans gawking at Francis.

 Thank goodness the evangelicals brought cameras!

 Applause for what?

 Giovanni Traettino & Francis on center stage.

 Francis looking at his notecards.

 Francis receiving the evangelical holy spirit!

We feel a spiritual hug is about to happen.

 Giovanni, I'm sorry there were mean Catholics in the past.

 How is it legal in Italy to use a construction site as a evangelical hall?

 Giovanni shares some words of love with Francis.

 Two buddies, Jorge & Giovanni.

 Is it lunch time yet?

 More adulation for the rock star.

 Francis loves being the center of everything!

 White isn't very becoming on growing Francis.

 Francis had such a fun time.

 Getting back in the papal econobox.

Waving good-bye!

To read what Francis told Giovanni Traettino and the gathered evangelicals read,  

A new challenge for apologists...

...spin these words of Francis!


As readers of Call Me Jorge... know, today Francis made his private visit to the Pentecostal Church of Caserta known officially as the Evangelical Church of Reconciliation.  Interestingly the pastor, Giovanni Traettino when he is not being a minister works full time in his family's cement/contracting/construction business.  We bring this up because the Evangelical Church of Reconciliation is still in the less than half finished state of being built as one can see from the photos we have posted.


Turns out Francis was to visit his Evangelical friends this past Saturday.  This was changed to Monday because the local Bishop told Francis over the phone what bad press it would make, if Francis visited the Evangelicals on the Feast of St. Anne.  Francis replied to the Bishop, 

"I was not aware it was the Feast of St. Anne." 

So he changed the day to Monday and to placate the Catholics who were very upset at being snubbed, decided to visit them on St. Anne's Feast instead.  Are you kidding us?  He doesn't even know what the proper Feast Day is?  Does he even celebrate the Novus Ordo Missae if the cameras are not there?  What religion is this man practicing?




After getting out of the official Papal Econobox, a Ford Focus with his friend Giovanni Traettino, they went into the eyesore, the Evangelical Church of Reconciliation.   Traettino addressed the 200 members of his congregation plus another 150 guests, mostly evangelical ministers of other denominations,

"Good morning everyone, we are happy to see Pope Francis among us and to applaud him, but we have to do a cheer even louder for Jesus."



After this Francis proceed to say a some words to those assembled.

"Some people are surprised that the Pope has come to find evangelicals. I came to find the brothers. "

..."(it is) a temptation to say, I am the Church you are the sect. Jesus prayed for unity. The Holy Spirit is the diversity in the Church. He makes all the difference. But then the Holy Spirit that makes the Church is a unity and diversity. A diversity reconciled to the Holy Spirit. "

A little Italian history before we proceed with quotes from Francis.  During the reign of the Fascist Party in Italy, Pentecostals pastors were arrested and jailed.   A circular on April 9, 1935 signed by the Secretary within Buffarini Guido Guidi, countersigned by the police chief Arturo Bocchini, forbade the Pentecostal worship  because, 

"(Pentecostalism) as expressed in concrete and religious practices is contrary to the social (well-being) and harmful to physical and mental integrity of the (Italian) race." 

No religious freedom in Italy, imagine that in a Catholic country?  This is the "official" reason for Francis' visit and apology which follows.

"Among those who have persecuted and denounced the Pentecostals, almost as if they were fools who ruined the race, there were also Catholics: I am the shepherd of the Catholics, and I ask forgiveness for those brothers and Catholic sisters who did not understand and were tempted by the devil, they made ​​the same mistake as did Joseph's brothers."


Once he got his apology out of the way, Francis continued on with his blasphemous themes.

"On the road of unity we would do well to touch the flesh of Christ, go to the suburbs, where there are so many needy brothers and sisters of God, they are hungry, but not for bread, but hunger for God!" 
..."You can not preach an intellectual Gospel.  The Gospel is truth, love and beauty."

..."I do not understand a Christian who stands still, the Christian must walk. There are Christians who walk in the presence of Jesus, but at times they walk not in the presence of Jesus.  This is because there are Christians who confuse Walking with turning, they are wandering. The latter is lacking in hope."

This was followed at lunch by Giovanni Traettino saying of Francis,

"Our joy is great, that of myself and of my family.  We love you.  One thing we must be knowledgeable in: toward his person there is great love and many of us are praying for him. Moreover, it is easy to love him. And some of us even believe that his election is the work of the Holy Spirit. " 
"And with this unexpected gesture he has widened the door.  We wanted to absorb as many as two trips to Caserta.  It was not enough to entrust his heart to a document or a messenger.  He wanted to touch us in person.  He showed great courage and freedom and gave himself for our diversity and also to our embrace. The glory of humility. Just a little power. It takes a lot."

All the above quotes confirm what the recent Evangelical visitors have related of their visits to the Vatican to see Francis.   Yes, the quotes sound no different than what the late Tony Palmer was telling everyone he met with.  The apologists for Francis can no longer pretend as if the Evangelicals misunderstood what Francis told them.  That excuse doesn't wash anymore!  We heard it straight from the horses mouth! 


In the Gospel for yesterday, the Seventh Sunday after Pentecost, Jesus the Christ couldn't say it more directly.  Taken from The New Roman Missal by Rev. F. X. Lasance page 664, 

Gospel. Matt. 7, 15-21
At that time, Jesus said to His disciples, Beware of false prophets, who come to you in the clothing of sheep, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.  By their fruits you shall know them. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?  Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit, and the evil tree bringeth forth evil fruit.  A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can an evil tree bring forth good fruit.  Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit, shall be cut down, and shall be cast into the fire.  Wherefore by their fruits you shall know them.  Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven.