Tuesday, February 17, 2015

Francis versus the Council of Florence (1438−1445)

the loquacious Francis

From 16 February 2015, Francis' Address to the Moderator and Representatives of the Church of Scotland:
I would now like to turn to my native tongue to express feelings of profound sorrow. Today I read about the execution of those twenty-one or twenty-two Coptic Christians. Their only words were: “Jesus, help me!”. They were killed simply for the fact that they were Christians. You, my brother, in your words referred to what is happening in the land of Jesus. The blood of our Christian brothers and sisters is a testimony which cries out to be heard. It makes no difference whether they be Catholics, Orthodox, Copts or Protestants. They are Christians! Their blood is one and the same. Their blood confesses Christ. As we recall these brothers and sisters who died only because they confessed Christ, I ask that we encourage each another to go forward with this ecumenism which is giving us strength, the ecumenism of blood. The martyrs belong to all Christians.

Note:   The word translated above as 'Protestants' should read 'Lutherans' as it is in the original Italian/Spanish speech:

Spanish said by Francis,
La sangre de nuestros hermanos cristianos es un testimonio que grita. Sean católicos, ortodoxos, coptos, luteranos, no interesa: son cristianos. Y la sangre es la misma, la sangre confiesa a Cristo.
Italian properly translated,
Il sangue dei nostri fratelli cristiani è una testimonianza che grida. Siano cattolici, ortodossi, copti, luterani non importa: sono cristiani! E il sangue è lo stesso. Il sangue confessa Cristo.


The Council of Florence

and the verdict

...nice try Francis but your words aren't Catholic!

Please pray the repose of the souls of those murdered by ISIS and for Francis that he will begin to live & preach the Faith.


  1. It states in the Gospel one day Our Lord's apostles approached him and said "There is a man casting out demons in your name ,he is not one of us ,shall we stop him and send him away "Our Lord replied "Leave him be ,he who is not against us is with us .if Christ did not reject him,his followers certainly can't.The Catholic church is the one true Church ,which why those who belong to it will be called to a higher account then those who do not have the benefit of the Sacraments.To him to who much has been given ,much will be required.

    1. Such as our duty to bring protestants to the Faith. Protestants are objectively outside of the Church.

      God doesn't change (Malachi 3:6). He is the same yesterday, today, and forever (Hebrews 13:8). His Church is His mystical Body (1 Corinthians 12:27, Colossians 1:24, etc).

      If the Church began as Catholic--attested to by history, such as St. Ignatius of Antioch, calling the Church the "Catholic Church" when writing in 110AD--then who are we to think that the nature of His Body should change, all because sinful men have been unfaithful to the doctrines which were handed down to them and unhappily left His Church to found their own?

      It doesn't even stand up to natural reason.

  2. I recommend you read a book by Cardinal Ratzinger before he became Pope Benedict. He wrestles with this issue in The Meaning of Christian Brotherhood. Is someone born a Copt, who professes Christ and has never chosen to abandon the Church in or out of the Church? Baptism brings him in, as we profess one baptism. But he is not the same as completely in. Needless to say, the state of one who is not a professed schismatic, but born of schismatic parents is not as easy to condemn to hell as you might have. AND, I, and then Cardinal Ratzinger would argue that this is not in contradiction to your quote above.

    1. RobK,

      We think you miss the point entirely. Look at what Francis said, specifically what is underlined above. And the more true translation we provided in the notes. The matter has nothing to do with Copts.


  3. Ah Jorge being Jorge again, he can't help himself but constantly spew out damnable lies as he is the very personification of heresy. I will of course pray for the salvation of the poor souls murdered by ISIS that they may have been reconciled with the One True Faith at least by implicit desire before their barbaric slaying by the saracen hordes. And I shall also pray for Bergoglio's conversion to Catholicism, if St. Paul could with the assistance of divine grace go from evil persecutor to prolific evangelist for Christ and his Church then God willing so can our apostate friend Jorge, we can only dream....

  4. If I were a Catholic priest, most of my sermons at first would be about the council of florence.Catholics en masse need to learn about this very important moment in Jesus Christ's one true Church.