Wow - B'nai B'rith would have had St. Louis' head on a plate for engaging in "hate crimes" nowadays! It's hard for our masonically-poisoned, liberal-bent ears in the US to read passages like this. Probably St. Louis and the real Catholics in the past would look at those of us attempting to defend our Holy Faith against the current crop of ecumaniacs, and think we were bad men. I really get scared of all of that when I think of Our Lord's words about if He didn't shorten this time none of us would end up being "elect." God help us all. What book was this in, by the way, CMJ?
What is worse, being a Holocaust-Denier or a Messias-Denier?
Both the world and the Church have the same answer, don't they?
A Holocaust Denier is an evil blackguard whereas a Messias-Denier is a respected and honored man.
However, the consequences of being a Holocaust-Denier are resolved according to the differing levels of punishment inflicted by the dominant group controlling the world whereas being a Messias-Denier merits eternal punishment from God.
Luke 19:27 But as for those my enemies, who would not have me reign over them bring them hither; and kill them before me
Cornelius a Lapide commentary:
Ver. 27.—But those mine enemies (the Jews, His citizens, who would not have Him to reign over them) bring them hither—to my Tribunal, in the valley of Jehosaphat and Jerusalem—and kill them before Me.” In the Greek, “Kill them before my face.” Our Lord alludes to those victorious kings who slew and destroyed their conquered rebels. By this destruction Christ signifies the extreme judgment of the Jews and His other enemies, and their own condemnation to eternal death in Gehenna, and that a living and vital death, where they will be perpetually tormented by death-dealing flames, and yet will never die. Our Lord alludes to Titus, who slaughtered the conquered Jews. He describes precisely to the letter the condemnation of the Jews, and the Gehenna which He has appointed for them when He shall return from heaven to judge and condemn them and the reprobate.
How can the magisterium take the decision not to seek the conversion of the Jews knowing the consequences of them not converting and the consequences of not preaching Christ and conversion?
1 Corinth 9:16 For if I preach the gospel, it is no glory to me, for a necessity lieth upon me; for woe is unto me if I not preach the gospel.
Cornelius a Lapide commentary:
Ver. 16.—Woe is unto me if I preach not the gospel. It appears from this that strict injunctions were given to the Apostles (S. Matt. xxviii. 19) to preach the Gospel and teach all nations, insomuch that, if they had neglected to do so, they would have sinned mortally. For on those that neglect this their duty he pronounces the woe of the wrath of God and of hell. By the same injunctions all pasters, Bishops, and Archbishops are now bound.
Pray for all Popes, Prelates, and Priests who have taken the decision not to preach the Gospel to the Jews and seek their conversion to the Faith but, rather, seek aught but their friendship and approval.
We should show this to the EWTN and "Catholic Answerer" types, who smear traditional Catholics as "anti-semitic": here's what a true Catholic saint thinks about cozying up to Jews. Maybe St Louis should be scrubbed from the Calender, like St Simon of Trent, as offensive to Jewish sensibilities.
Seems the vatican is GIVING 'crutches' to anyone who promotes sadomasochistic violence to women and children:
"This weekend the Vatican formally hosted one of Britain’s most virulently pro-abortion and pro-homosexual writers, as well as the head of an American organization promoting female ordination, at an officially sanctioned event inside Vatican City walls. Organizers spoke to Vatican Radio as well as the secular press, praising the new atmosphere within the Church’s leadership that made the conference possible.... "International Women’s Day, a holiday started by the Soviet revolutionaries in the early 20th century, has become an annual showcase for atheistic political feminism in many transnational organizations like the UN and the EU."
They are been shown false charity ,true charity would seek their eternal salvation ,ecumenism breeds contempt ,people have respect for those who uphold their beliefs even if they differ from their own.
The times of Pius IX were different from ours, harsher, more inclined to having a duel for minor disputes. I find that self-righteous, aggressive attitude in dealing with others not of our Faith most abhorrent, ineffective and even counterproductive. My preferred model is St. Francis de Sales who dealt with heretics with utmost charity and gentleness, rather than wielding a baseball bat (or a sword as the case may be) to try to convert others. That attitude is likely to send the dissenter scurrying away rather than attracting him to the Faith. In other words, honey works better than vinegar! Besides, no one can convert, only God can since Faith is a gift.
We're not talking about converting dissidents or unbelievers who are actively hostile to the Catholic faith, but about preventing the faithful from being confused or undermined in their adherence to Catholic teaching. This is what St. Louis's focus is.
St. Francis de Sales, for all his gentleness, was sound and would not countenance ambiguities that would weaken and/or endanger people's faith.
Woman of Faith - yes, Jesus did tell us all to learn of Him for He is meek and humble of heart, and to be sure, at least as far as regards the LAITY, that is a better, more humble 'attitude' to take. AND I agree with you - too many 'traditionalists' are trying to hurl anathemas at their fellow Catholics rather than trying to engage in charitable exchange regarding where the other may be in error. That being said, you have to look at the example of St. Vincent Ferrer
Like Moses before him, he converted 10 thousand Jews on the spot when raising his arm (the part of him still incorrupt) and telling them to convert on the spot to our Lord or they would be damned. But...God gave him the authority to speak in His name as the "angel of the apocalypse" and this conservative novus ordo site even mentions that tradition holds St. Vincent's preaching caused the world from ending at that time. A sobering thought for us all. We have been taught to prefer darkness to light from our years of living amongst masonic liberalism and true charity such as exemplified by St. Vincent rings as "harshness" and "hatred" to our ears. So we must beware that we don't end up excusing lukewarmness for lack of charity and zeal for the truth. Too many souls are going to hell in our day and God forbid that ours be one of them. God bless
I stand by what I said. No one has the power to convert others, only God can move the heart of the unbeliever. We, by living out our Faith can, by our example, show the way to God and when asked, we can explain our beliefs. But we cannot "pounce" on the unbelievers and expect results: they will flee away and for good reason! Prayer is, of course, very important in our spiritual battle to conquer the unbeliever's resistance. I have encountered some trads who think that unbelievers should and acquiesce inmediately to our badgerings ( or reasonings) but the fact is, it takes GRACE and God's action to make them respond positively. No one comes to understanding the propositions of the Faith (unless by divine intervention) in an instant. St. Paul was an exception but in most cases it takes time and prayer. So, whatever you may think and whatever some past examples,. . .no baseball bat for me, thank you. I'll follow St. Francis de Sales' advice and leave the rest to Almighty God. God bless.
God's Grace can move hearts, but the hearts must cooperate with the movement. Some hearts need more than a gentle nudge. The trick is knowing the audience and whether the honey or the vinegar will work best.
Wow - B'nai B'rith would have had St. Louis' head on a plate for engaging in "hate crimes" nowadays! It's hard for our masonically-poisoned, liberal-bent ears in the US to read passages like this. Probably St. Louis and the real Catholics in the past would look at those of us attempting to defend our Holy Faith against the current crop of ecumaniacs, and think we were bad men. I really get scared of all of that when I think of Our Lord's words about if He didn't shorten this time none of us would end up being "elect." God help us all. What book was this in, by the way, CMJ?
ReplyDeleteReading the Middle Ages, Volume II: Sources from Europe, Byzantium, and the Islamic World, c.900 to c.1500, Second Edition by Barbara H. Rosenwein
DeleteYou can click on the text above & it will take you to the book on books.google or copy & paste this link,
https://books.google.com/books?id=MpRbAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA420&dq=%22King+Louis+also+spoke+to+me+of+a+great+assembly+of+clergy+and+Jews+which+had+taken+place+at+the+monastery+of+Cluny.+There+was+a+poor+knight+there+at+the+time+to+whom+the+abbot+had+often+given+bread+for+the+love+of+God.+This+knight+asked+the+abbot+if+he+could+speak+first,&hl=en&sa=X&ei=oYr7VODaCYKWyATwkoCADg&ved=0CB0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false
Beautiful! We need such Kings and leaders today.
ReplyDeleteWhat is worse, being a Holocaust-Denier or a Messias-Denier?
ReplyDeleteBoth the world and the Church have the same answer, don't they?
A Holocaust Denier is an evil blackguard whereas a Messias-Denier is a respected and honored man.
However, the consequences of being a Holocaust-Denier are resolved according to the differing levels of punishment inflicted by the dominant group controlling the world whereas being a Messias-Denier merits eternal punishment from God.
Luke 19:27 But as for those my enemies, who would not have me reign over them bring them hither; and kill them before me
Cornelius a Lapide commentary:
Ver. 27.—But those mine enemies (the Jews, His citizens, who would not have Him to reign over them) bring them hither—to my Tribunal, in the valley of Jehosaphat and Jerusalem—and kill them before Me.” In the Greek, “Kill them before my face.” Our Lord alludes to those victorious kings who slew and destroyed their conquered rebels. By this destruction Christ signifies the extreme judgment of the Jews and His other enemies, and their own condemnation to eternal death in Gehenna, and that a living and vital death, where they will be perpetually tormented by death-dealing flames, and yet will never die. Our Lord alludes to Titus, who slaughtered the conquered Jews. He describes precisely to the letter the condemnation of the Jews, and the Gehenna which He has appointed for them when He shall return from heaven to judge and condemn them and the reprobate.
How can the magisterium take the decision not to seek the conversion of the Jews knowing the consequences of them not converting and the consequences of not preaching Christ and conversion?
1 Corinth 9:16 For if I preach the gospel, it is no glory to me, for a necessity lieth upon me; for woe is unto me if I not preach the gospel.
Cornelius a Lapide commentary:
Ver. 16.—Woe is unto me if I preach not the gospel. It appears from this that strict injunctions were given to the Apostles (S. Matt. xxviii. 19) to preach the Gospel and teach all nations, insomuch that, if they had neglected to do so, they would have sinned mortally. For on those that neglect this their duty he pronounces the woe of the wrath of God and of hell. By the same injunctions all pasters, Bishops, and Archbishops are now bound.
Pray for all Popes, Prelates, and Priests who have taken the decision not to preach the Gospel to the Jews and seek their conversion to the Faith but, rather, seek aught but their friendship and approval.
Good comment; actually I prefer the phrase "Christ Deniers" rather than Messias deniers.
DeleteWe should show this to the EWTN and "Catholic Answerer" types, who smear traditional Catholics as "anti-semitic": here's what a true Catholic saint thinks about cozying up to Jews. Maybe St Louis should be scrubbed from the Calender, like St Simon of Trent, as offensive to Jewish sensibilities.
ReplyDeleteDon't forget St. Wiliam of Norwich
Deletehttp://padrepioandchiesaviva.com/Francis.html
ReplyDeleteAnother great Franciscan St Maximilien Kolbe called those who are ecumenists enemies of the Immaculata.
Seems the vatican is GIVING 'crutches' to anyone who promotes sadomasochistic violence to women and children:
ReplyDelete"This weekend the Vatican formally hosted one of Britain’s most virulently pro-abortion and pro-homosexual writers, as well as the head of an American organization promoting female ordination, at an officially sanctioned event inside Vatican City walls. Organizers spoke to Vatican Radio as well as the secular press, praising the new atmosphere within the Church’s leadership that made the conference possible....
"International Women’s Day, a holiday started by the Soviet revolutionaries in the early 20th century, has become an annual showcase for atheistic political feminism in many transnational organizations like the UN and the EU."
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/vatican-hosted-feminist-conference-featuring-prof-who-compares-mass-to-gay
They are been shown false charity ,true charity would seek their eternal salvation ,ecumenism breeds contempt ,people have respect for those who uphold their beliefs even if they differ from their own.
ReplyDeleteThe times of Pius IX were different from ours, harsher, more inclined to having a duel for minor disputes. I find that self-righteous, aggressive attitude in dealing with others not of our Faith most abhorrent, ineffective and even counterproductive. My preferred model is St. Francis de Sales who dealt with heretics with utmost charity and gentleness, rather than wielding a baseball bat (or a sword as the case may be) to try to convert others. That attitude is likely to send the dissenter scurrying away rather than attracting him to the Faith. In other words, honey works better than vinegar! Besides, no one can convert, only God can since Faith is a gift.
ReplyDeleteWe're not talking about converting dissidents or unbelievers who are actively hostile to the Catholic faith, but about preventing the faithful from being confused or undermined in their adherence to Catholic teaching. This is what St. Louis's focus is.
DeleteSt. Francis de Sales, for all his gentleness, was sound and would not countenance ambiguities that would weaken and/or endanger people's faith.
Woman of Faith - yes, Jesus did tell us all to learn of Him for He is meek and humble of heart, and to be sure, at least as far as regards the LAITY, that is a better, more humble 'attitude' to take. AND I agree with you - too many 'traditionalists' are trying to hurl anathemas at their fellow Catholics rather than trying to engage in charitable exchange regarding where the other may be in error. That being said, you have to look at the example of St. Vincent Ferrer
Deletehttp://www.miraclesofthesaints.com/2010/10/saints-who-raised-dead-people-brought.html
Like Moses before him, he converted 10 thousand Jews on the spot when raising his arm (the part of him still incorrupt) and telling them to convert on the spot to our Lord or they would be damned. But...God gave him the authority to speak in His name as the "angel of the apocalypse" and this conservative novus ordo site even mentions that tradition holds St. Vincent's preaching caused the world from ending at that time. A sobering thought for us all. We have been taught to prefer darkness to light from our years of living amongst masonic liberalism and true charity such as exemplified by St. Vincent rings as "harshness" and "hatred" to our ears. So we must beware that we don't end up excusing lukewarmness for lack of charity and zeal for the truth. Too many souls are going to hell in our day and God forbid that ours be one of them. God bless
I stand by what I said. No one has the power to convert others, only God can move the heart of the unbeliever. We, by living out our Faith can, by our example, show the way to God and when asked, we can explain our beliefs. But we cannot "pounce" on the unbelievers and expect results: they will flee away and for good reason! Prayer is, of course, very important in our spiritual battle to conquer the unbeliever's resistance. I have encountered some trads who think that unbelievers should and acquiesce inmediately to our badgerings ( or reasonings) but the fact is, it takes GRACE and God's action to make them respond positively. No one comes to understanding the propositions of the Faith (unless by divine intervention) in an instant. St. Paul was an exception but in most cases it takes time and prayer. So, whatever you may think and whatever some past examples,. . .no baseball bat for me, thank you. I'll follow St. Francis de Sales' advice and leave the rest to Almighty God.
DeleteGod bless.
God's Grace can move hearts, but the hearts must cooperate with the movement. Some hearts need more than a gentle nudge. The trick is knowing the audience and whether the honey or the vinegar will work best.
DeleteWhat would Rabbi Jorge think of this letter? Would he (rabbi jorge) report St.Louis to the SPLC?
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