Thursday, April 28, 2016

Don’t like the post-Vatican II Novus Ordo?

Surprise it’s the ‘holy spirit’!

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(Vatican Radio) There is always resistance to the surprises of the Spirit, but it’s the Spirit who continues to lead the Church forward. That was Pope Francis’ message at Mass on Thursday at the Santa Marta chapel as he reflected on the reading about division and resistance within the early Church in Jerusalem.

Commenting on today’s reading from Acts about the Council of Jerusalem, Pope Francis said the protagonist in the Church is always the Holy Spirit. It’s the Spirit who, from the very beginning, gives strength to the apostles to proclaim the Gospel and it’s the Spirit who carries the Church forward despite its problems.

Even when there is an outbreak of persecution, the Pope said, it’s the Spirit who gives believers the strength to stand firm in the faith, even if they face resistance and anger from the doctors of the law. In the passage from Acts, the Pope noted, there was a double resistance to the Spirit, from those who believed that Jesus came only for the chosen people and from those who wanted to impose the law of Moses, including the practice of circumcision, on those who had converted.

There was great confusion over all this, the Pope said, but the Spirit led their hearts in a new direction. The apostles were surprised by the Spirit, he said, as they found themselves in new and unthinkable situations. But how were they to manage these circumstances? Pope Francis said the passage begins by noting that ‘much debate had taken place’: no doubt heated debate, because on the one hand they were pushed on and on by the Spirit, but on the other, they were facing new situations that they had never seen or even imagined, such as pagans receiving the Holy Spirit.

The disciples were holding a ‘hot potato’ in their hands and didn’t know what to do, the Pope said. Thus they called a meeting in Jerusalem where each one could recount their experiences of how the Holy Spirit had been received by the Gentiles. And in the end they came to an agreement. But first , the Pope noted, “The whole assembly fell silent, and they listened while Paul and Barnabas described the signs and wonders God had worked among the Gentiles through them.” Never be afraid to listen with humility, the Pope said. When you are afraid to listen, you don’t have the Spirit in your heart. When the apostles had listened, they decided to send several of the disciples to the Greeks, the pagan communities, that had become Christians to reassure them.

Those who converted, the Pope continued, were not obliged to be circumcised. The decision was communicated to them in a letter in which the disciples say that “The Holy Spirit and we have decided….” This is the way of the Church when faced with novelties, the Pope said. Not the worldly novelties of fashion, but the novelties of the Spirit who always surprises us. How does the Church resolve these problems? Through meetings and discussions, listening and praying, before making a final decision. This is the way of the Church when the Spirit surprises us, Pope Francis said, recalling the resistance that emerged in recent times during the Second Vatican Council.

That resistance continues today in one way or another, he said, yet the Spirit moves ahead. And the way the Church expresses its communion is through synodality, by meeting, listening, debating, praying and deciding. The Spirit is always the protagonist and the Lord asks us not to be afraid when the Spirit calls us. Just as the Spirit stopped St Paul and set him on the right road, so the Spirit will give us the courage and the patience to win over adversity and stand firm in the face of martyrdom. Let us ask the Lord for grace, the Pope concluded, to understand how the Church can face the surprises of the Spirit, to be docile and to follow the path which Christ wants for us and for the whole Church.


Francis’ holy spirit wants to turn everyone into a modernist!


  1. The Pope´s "very good theologian" Cardinal Schoenborn said similar things in October:

    Cardinal Schönborn: Synod of Bishops recalls Council of Jerusalem

    October 19, 2015
    On October 17, participants in the synod on marriage and the family recalled the 50th anniversary of the institution of the Synod by Blessed Paul VI.

    The commemoration included introductory remarks by Cardinal Lorenzo Baldisseri, secretary-general of the Synod of Bishops, and addresses by five prelates who reflected on how the various synods over the years have affected the life of the Church in Europe, Africa, America, Asia, and Oceania.

    The highlights of the day included a commemorative relatio by Cardinal Christoph Schönborn of Vienna and a discourse by Pope Francis (see separate article).

    In his 3,500-word address, Cardinal Schönborn noted that the Synod is intimately linked to the Second Vatican Council. The “reception, interpretation and application of the doctrines and the provisions” of each ecumenical council takes time: the work of the First Council of Nicaea (325) concluded in the teaching of the Second Council of Nicaea (787), and the Council of Trent, “the great council of reform,” took centuries to implement.

    “The Synod of Bishops is a privileged place for the interpretation of the [Second Vatican] Council,” Cardinal Schönborn continued, as he recounted questions and criticisms of the purpose and method of the Synod. The prelate then turned to the Council of Jerusalem (Acts 15) as the “model for the method of Synod.”

    This “first synod” was marked by “dramatic conflict”: similarly, bishops need to speak clearly and boldly and listen to one another attentively at synods, Cardinal Schönborn said. “Animated discussions” should not be feared.

    While theological debate is important, the conflict at the Council of Jerusalem was solved when Peter made a decision. The others accepted Peter’s decision in silent humility, and then some of the apostles spoke of the works of God that they had witnessed. The Church then received the decision of the council with joy.

    Cardinal Schönborn concluded by reflecting on three words: mission, witness, and discernment. Synods ought to assist the Church’s missionary dynamism, be places in which bishops speaks of what they have witnessed, and be a place of “common discernment of God’s will,” rather than a “consultative or deliberative vote.”

    The ultimate outcome, he said, should not be a “lowest common denominator” compromise, but something “value added”: the Holy Spirit.

  2. I think they are heading towards a "Second Council of Jerusalem" and will declare this as "surprises of the spirit".

    I strongly recommend this video with Cardinal Schoenborn:

    I found it on the website "Towards a second council in Jerusalem"

    This is their vision:

    "This vision is stated in simpler terms as this:
    To make known to Church leaders and Christian scholars the restoration of the Jewish segments of the Church (the Church of the circumcision).
    To foster repentance for the sins of the Gentile Christians and the Christian Church against the Jewish people, especially for the suppression of the corporate Jewish witness to Yeshuah, the Messiah
    To foster intercession for all the Churches of the nations to abandon all forms of replacement teaching concerning the calling and election of Israel and to recognize the place of the Jew in the body of Messiah
    To encourage the messianic Jewish community in and out of Israel to enter into this vision or reconciliation and restoration and thereby foster unity among the different streams and organizations within the messianic Jewish community and movement.
    The Executive Committee will seek to do everything possible to forward a convocation of a second Council of Jerusalem.

    This can only happen under the special leading of the Holy Spirit.

    Only the Holy Spirit can show us how a Council recognized by all churches, denominations and movements can be possible.

    Within this process toward a second Council of Jerusalem there would be a gathering in Jerusalem as representative of churches/ denominations and continents as possible for the purpose of issuing a call to the whole Christian world for the recognition of the church of the circumcision at a second Council of Jerusalem."

  3. God is keeping the best surprise till last.

  4. "Only the Holy Spirit can show us how a Council recognized by all churches, denominations and movements can be possible." I think the demon spirits are already doing it, like bread for the world--the adulterers, sodomites, fornicators, murderers (especially of one's own relatives), drunkards and unclean dogs.

    And the smoke of their torments shall ascend up for ever and ever: neither have they rest day nor night, who have adored the beast, and his image, and whoever receiveth the character of his name.