Tuesday, August 9, 2016

Women Deacons? No Problem for John Salza and Robert Siscoe!

Francis, Stop the Commission!!!



According to the New York Times last Tuesday, Francis “created a commission to study the possibility of ordaining women as deacons.”  The commission is named, ‘Study Commission on the Women’s Diaconate’.  Appointed to this commission were six men and six women.  Joshua J. McElwee of National Catholic Reporter elaborates further in his article, Francis institutes commission to study female deacons, appointing gender-balanced membership:
“Included in the group are six faculty members of pontifical universities, four members of the Vatican’s International Theological Commission, and one member of the Pontifical Biblical Commission. Among the members are six priests, four laywomen, and two women religious.”   
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“The full list of members of the new commission: 
  • Archbishop Luis Francisco Ladaria, secretary of the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, serving as president;
  • Holy Family Sr. Nuria Calduch-Benages, member of the Pontifical Biblical Commission;
  • Francesca Cocchini, faculty member at Rome’s La Sapienza University and the Patristic Institute Augustinianum;
  • Msgr. Piero Coda, president of Rome’s Sophia University Institute and member of the International Theological Commission;
  • Augustinian Fr. Robert Dodaro, president of the Patristic Institute Augustinianum;
  • Jesuit Fr. Santiago Madrigal, ecclesiologist at Madrid’s Pontifical University Comillas;
  • Franciscan Sr. Mary Melone, the first female president of Rome’s Pontifical University Antonianum;
  • Fr. Karl-Heinz Menke, emeritus professor of dogmatic theology at Germany’s University of Bonn and member of the International Theological Commission;
  • Salesian Fr. Aimable Musoni, ecclesiologist at Rome’s Salesian Pontifical University;
  • Jesuit Fr. Bernard Pottier, faculty member at Brussels’ Institute D'etudes Théologiques and member of the International Theological Commission;
  • Marianne Schlosser, theologian at the University of Vienna and member of the International Theological Commission;
  • Michelina Tenace, theologian at Rome’s Pontifical Gregorian University;
  • Phyllis Zagano, senior research associate-in-residence at Hofstra University in New York.”

Please write to the Vatican bureaucrats or at the least contact your local diocesan official and let them know that this commission will only be wasting precious resources because John Salza and Robert Siscoe already have the answer!







The following scans are taken from the book True or False Pope? by Robert Siscoe and John Salza, chapter 15, subsection Women Deacons?, pages 485 to 492.  A reader who wishes to remain anonymous kindly shared these pages with Call Me Jorge...  The first excerpt starts off with Gerry Matatics’ position on female deacons and the remainder of the excerpts are Salza’s and Siscoe’s.



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And there you have it, Salza and Siscoe may not like it but they believe it isn’t an impossibility!


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12 comments:

  1. Hmmm. Perhaps the book should be called "True or False Deacons." Fellay wrote the "Foreword" so must concur w/the Free Masons & VC2 Perverts and be right on board and briefed on the 'changes' (including the new hybrid (half animal & half human from baby parts) mass).

    Wonder how old these deaconesses were? "Old women, as mothers: young women, as sisters, in all chastity. Honour widows, that are widows indeed. But if any widow have children, or grandchildren, let her learn first to govern her own house, and to make a return of duty to her parents: for this is acceptable before God. But she that is a widow indeed, and desolate, let her trust in God, and continue in supplications and prayers night and day. [Wonder if S&S mentioned the Widow Anna (Luke 2:36) & how VC2 Perverts have eliminated Contemplative/Prayer orders & the tradition of the Church regarding female religious and how it is connected to OT Temple practices including BVM.] For she that liveth in pleasures, is dead while she is living. And this give in charge, that they may be blameless. But if any man have not care of his own, and especially of those of his house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel. Let a widow be chosen of no less than threescore years of age, who hath been the wife of one husband. Having testimony for her good works, if she have brought up children, if she have received to harbour, if she have washed the saints' feet, if she have ministered to them that suffer tribulation, if she have diligently followed every good work. But the younger widows avoid. For when they have grown wanton in Christ, they will marry: Having damnation, because they have made void their first faith. And withal being idle they learn to go about from house to house: and are not only idle, but tattlers also, and busybodies, speaking things which they ought not. I will therefore that the younger should marry, bear children, be mistresses of families, give no occasion to the adversary to speak evil. For some are already turned aside after Satan. If any of the faithful have widows, let him minister to them, and let not the church be charged: that there may be sufficient for them that are widows indeed. If any of the faithful have widows, let him minister to them, and let not the church be charged: that there may be sufficient for them that are widows indeed." 1 Tim 5:2-16

    http://www.drbo.org/chapter/61005.htm

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  2. The early underground church didn't have female deacons,this is a lie.
    What the females did in the early church was to make sure the new female pagan converts behaved themselves in Church.
    That's a lie to say they served on the Altar.
    The Novus Ordo lied about the new post 1969 invalid 'rite of holy orders'.
    There is literally no proof 'the rite of St.Hipolytus' was ever used in the Catholic church. (This new invalid rite was used when St.Hipolytus was schismatic in his own (St.Hipolytus) schismatic rite.
    The Novus Ordo lies and lies and lies!!

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    1. *St.Hippolytus* sorry spell check error

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  3. Touchdown by John Vennari, otherwise a faithless Novus Ordo man who thinks that Pope can utter or commit such heresies and apostasies as Bergoglio, Ratzinger etc.:

    "Then there is the forceful decree Necessaria rerum of Pope Galasius(sic), addressed to the bishops of southern Italy, dated March 11, 494. While not dealing directly with deaconesses, it manifests how alien was the idea of women in the sanctuary performing any form of priestly function:

    “It is with impatience that we learned this: divine(sic) things have suffered SUCH a DEGRADATION that FEMALE MINISTERS SERVING AT THE SACRED ALTARS have been approved. The exercise of roles reserved to men has been given to the sex which they do not belong.”.".

    According to Pope St. Gelasius I Gerry Matatics is dead wrong on this one. Even female altar servers are absolutely (metaphysically) impossible in The Catholic Church. Gerry, Gerry...

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    1. I wouldn't pay attention to a person who believes God died for nothing and we are to sit at home and never receive Sacraments again.(Gerry Matatics)

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    2. It is absolutely forbidden to every Catholic to receive any sacrament from a heretic or to participate with heretic in any act of worship! St. Hermenegild refused the Holy Communion from the hands of Arian bishop and was canonized; infant prince died by Divine punishment for baptism received from Arian bishop, St. John the Apostle even feared that bath would fall on his head as Divine punishment if he bathed in the same bath as heretic Cerinthus (Fr. Michael Mueller: The Church and Her Enemies).

      In cases of necessity: anyone can baptize a little child; for unbaptized children with use of reason and adults who have the Catholic faith and desire to be in The Catholic Church alone (both absolutely necessary!) baptism of desire suffices for salvation; Holy Communion before death isn't necessary for salvation; perfect contrition (only Catholics (Catholic catechumens are included) can have it!!) suffices for remission of mortal sin(s) and salvation; Holy Communion can be received in spiritual way; Holy Matrimony is given and received by betrothed man and woman (Korean Catholics married years and years without a single Catholic priest after The Church had come into existence there: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04361b.htm).

      You should quote Gerry Matatics since it is wrong to accuse anyone without proof. I doubt that Gerry said that God(sic) had died for nothing or that we should never receive sacraments again. He most probably expressed the Catholic teaching explained above that Catholics are absolutely forbidden to receive any sacrament from any heretic or participate in heretical worship as long as they are unable to receive them from Catholic priest. All churches with Novus Ordo sacrilege are heretical so that majority of Catholics aren't allowed and can't receive sacraments there. So it seems that Gerry Matatics is right regarding sacraments and sacrileges in the Novus Ordo churches and you are dead wrong on that.

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  4. Why does the "Gerry Matatics" hyperlink lead to a Passion of the Christ page in Amazon?

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    1. The reason it leads to the Passion of Christ is because Gerry Matatics did the commentary track for the DVD and we are not familiar with any of his other work.

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    2. How did that come about? I never would've thought Mel Gibson knew him.

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  5. UNBELIEVABLE!
    I just read your article regarding the deaconesses and saw the name Phyllis Zagano as one of the pope's new advisors.

    She was on fb last night, on Lepanto Institute's page, to where she posted this link:

    http://womeninthechurch-junia.blogspot.com/2009/07/council-of-orange.html?m=1

    UNBELIEVABLY, the author of this link that Zagano supports is this:
    "Deidre Richardson is a graduate of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (B.A. History, B.A. Music) and a new graduate of Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary (Master of Divinity Degree in Christian Apologetics and Biblical Languages). She is now a candidate for the Master of Theology degree (ThM) at Southeastern, where she will specialize in the study of Theology of Religions (special emphasis on Inclusivism). Deidre also writes regularly for the Journal for Baptist Theology and Ministry (JBTM), headed up by Dr. Steve Lemke, Provost at New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary in New Orleans, Louisiana. In addition to these duties, she is currently serving as a Research Assistant for "What's Your Impact?", an international magazine based in Montreal, Canada. In this capacity, Richardson researches ways to prevent global warming as well as other ecological issues."
    So there you have the pope's woman touting the writings of an apparent BAPTIST to support her feminism within the Catholic Church!


    You can see Z's nonsense here, where she failed to back up anything and walks away, and her own fb page is an abomination:
    https://m.facebook.com/Lepantoinstitute/photos/a.1561068524164748.1073741828.1506562099615391/1761183094153289/?type=3&comment_id=1761259277479004&notif_t=like&notif_id=1470795481002207&ref=m_notif

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    1. If you read this article from America Magazine (17 February 2003), Catholic Women Deacons by Phyllis Zagano it explains a lot.
      http://americamagazine.org/issue/422/article/catholic-women-deacons

      “If you can ordain a woman a deacon, you can ordain a woman a priest. The commission argues that if the diaconate is part of the sacerdotal priesthood, women are excluded from the diaconate. But such an argument could backfire. There is overwhelming historical evidence that women were ordained deacons by bishops intending to perform a sacrament. If women were sacramentally ordained deacons and the diaconate shares in the sacerdotal priesthood (as the commission argues), then women have already shared in the sacerdotal priesthood.”

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    2. I have noticed lesbians are happiest when destroying The Catholic church.The above photo in this article is proof.
      She is lying there isn't any evidence women were ordained deacons.

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