Thursday, January 19, 2017

Why don’t they just go ahead and declare the heresiarch a saint already?

Francis in front of a statue of heresiarch, Martin Luther, at a private audience
with Swedish Lutherans in Paul VI Hall on 13 October 2016.

A few quotes which demonstrate how the Novus Ordo thinks about the excommunicated heresiarch, Martin Luther.  As always the underline are our for emphasis.

“At the same time, we keep alive in our hearts sincere contrition for our faults. In this spirit, we recalled in Lund that the intention of Martin Luther five hundred years ago was to renew the Church, not divide her. The gathering there gave us the courage and strength, in our Lord Jesus Christ, to look ahead to the ecumenical journey that we are called to walk together.”

“In this regard, the Second Vatican Council, which bound together, in an irrevocable manner, the ecumenical commitment to restoring Christian unity and the renewal of the Catholic Church, has made an essential contribution, such that we can state, even in this respect, that in the Second Vatican Council, Martin Luther would have “found his own council.” The council would have appealed to him in the time in which he lived.

Danilo Bogoni : Through newly issued stamps, the Vatican continues to clear the pages of history previously considered, at the least embarrassing: in 2011 the centenary of the unification of Italy, in this 2017 soon the beginning of the Lutheran Reformation. [CMJ - Luther’s Revolt] The issue of which a few years ago was unthinkable with the mark of the crossed keys.
Mauro Olivieri : We have to try to understand the present time and be interpreters of the messages that the Holy Father wishes to convey; with the help and understanding of my Superiors of the Governorate, we develop the idea of a modern philately [CMJ - philately is the collection and study of postage stamps], which mark the important moments of history: no doubt the issue dedicated to the 500th anniversary of the Protestant Reformation [CMJ - Protestant Revolt] marks the rapprochement and overcoming of mutual misunderstandings between Christians, and the philately there is.

In Benedict XVI we have a Pope better than any which even Martin Luther could have imagined. A Pope who sees it as one of his first priorities to give testimony to Jesus Christ with all the powers of reason and of historical insight. How much recognition he found in the entire world as the Pope of Theologians, whose legacy we in Regensburg are allowed to treasure, preserve, and carry into the future in such particularly qualified manner.”

“Separating that which is polemical from the theological insights of the Reformation, Catholics are now able to hear Luther’s challenge for the Church of today, recognising him as a “witness to the gospel” (From Conflict to Communion 29). And so after centuries of mutual condemnations and vilification, in 2017 Lutheran and Catholic Christians will for the first time commemorate together the beginning of the Reformation.”
 —Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity, Resources for THE WEEK OF PRAYER FOR CHRISTIAN UNITY and throughout the year 2017, 31 May 2016

I think that the intentions of Martin Luther were not mistaken. He was a reformer. Perhaps some methods were not correct. But in that time, if we read the story of the Pastor, a German Lutheran who then converted when he saw reality – he became Catholic – in that time, the Church was not exactly a model to imitate. There was corruption in the Church, there was worldliness, attachment to money, to power...and this he protested. Then he was intelligent and took some steps forward justifying, and because he did this. And today Lutherans and Catholics, Protestants, all of us agree on the doctrine of justification. On this point, which is very important, he did not err. He made a medicine for the Church, but then this medicine consolidated into a state of things, into a state of a discipline, into a way of believing, into a way of doing, into a liturgical way and he wasn’t alone; there was Zwingli, there was Calvin, each one of them different, and behind them were who? Principals! We must put ourselves in the story of that time. It’s a story that’s not easy to understand, not easy. Then things went forward, and today the dialogue is very good. That document of justification I think is one of the richest ecumenical documents in the world, one in most agreement.

Medieval theologians used to say in Latin, that the Church is always in need of reform,” Ecclesia semper reformanda, the Pope said, receiving waves of applause that rippled through the Paul VI Hall where around a thousand Lutheran pilgrims were gathered: “This is what progress and maturing is about and the Church progresses, matures and so many small and not so small Church reforms moved, wanted to move along this path, some reforms were not successful, they were too much. Human things never are but reformation is an ecclesial process, that is what I mean. The question was: ‘who do you see as the Church’s the Churches’ and history’s greatest reformers?,” Francis said repeating the question. “I would say,” he continued, “that the Church’s greatest reformers are the saints, in other words the men and women who follow the Word of the Lord and practice it. This is the path we need to take, this is what reforms the church and they are great reformers, they may not be theologians, they may not have studied, they may be humble but these people’s soul is steeped in the Gospel, it’s full of it and they are the ones who successfully reform the Church. Both in the Lutheran and Catholic Churches there are saints, men and women with a holy heart who follow the Gospel: they are the Church’s reformers.

I feel much freer now that I am certain the pope is the Antichrist.


  1. Montini let in the smoke of Satan, and Bergoglio let in the stench of Luther. What surprise does the next pope have for us?

  2. My father told me when I was young..if it looks like a duck, if it walks like a duck and if it talks like a duck...its a every ordained Priest and Bishop hasn't jumped up screaming Anathema Sit to all of the Pope's follies doesn't bear well for us the sheep , in this world.. but it reaaly doesn't bear well for those priests and bishops..the shepherds who have abandoned their flock , in the next.

    1. The "new rite of holy orders" post April 4,1969 (Jorge Bergoglio is first novus ordo "pope" who was "ordained" "consecrated" in new rites) is so doubtful these men you mention may not be Priests or Bishops
      As Catholics we must avoid them as a doubtful sacrament is to be treated invalid.

  3. But if in the name of Jesus Christ, you instruct your flock against communion for adulterers (like those luv birds Herod & Herodias who died together in Gaul (gall)) you are Anathema! Excommunicated! FIRED!

    P.S. If you want to know how to get kicked out of the N.O. Mercy coven, just be faithful PUBLICLY to Jesus Christ--and that's a word to the wise for all the self-called "faithful" Catholics and a wake up call to all those who delude themselves that THEIR parish has a faithful priest.

  4. I wish they would! The more absurd the Novus Ordo behave the more obvious it becomes to the person who loves truth that the Novus Ordo is not the Catholic Church.

  5. All of the underlined are horse-pucky propaganda but done so well that the Novus Ordo church can go on its "apology tours" and get their followers to say, "Luther didn't really mean to divide the Church"...
    I up arrow'ed a comment on CMJ tweet a day or two ago that said anyone who is still in the Novus Ordo is willfully blind.