“I am a Sinner and am Fallible”
[and am modernist,
and am rabbinical traditionalist,
and am a heretic,
and am gabby,
and am an idiot,
and am a powderkeg,
Giovanni di Lorenzo interviewing Francis for Die Zeit in Casa Santa Marta.
Francis granted his umpteenth interview this time to the German national weekly newspaper, Die Zeit (The Time). It was conducted by Giovanni di Lorenzo in Italian and then translated by him into German. Francis proof read and gave the German translation his approval. Francis has retained the ability to comprehend the German language when it is written or spoken slowly from the time he lived in Germany and was doing research for his still uncompleted doctoral thesis on Romano Guardini. There is much laughter and joking in the interview compared to others. It’s obvious that Giovanni and Francis had a rapport as it is very relaxed atmosphere. The interview can be found here, “Ich bin Sünder und bin fehlbar” on the Die Zeit website in its original German. This entry will cover some but not all of this most recent interview.
The interview begins with Francis discussing how he came across his favorite devotion, Mary Untier of Knots. We hope sometime in the future to do a post on just this subject. There is then discussion on the shortage of priests and how the church is nothing without the Eucharist. From there they move briefly onto the topic of Cardinal Burke of whom Francis says, “an excellent jurist”. Next up in the conservation is Benedict XVI and his words, “The church of the future will be small”. Francis opines that Benedict XVI is “a great theologian”.
Francis then clarifies (if that is possible) that the commission to study the question of women deaconesses is only to explore their role in the early church but not to open the door to them.
Francis then endorses the historical-critical method in the task of studying the Bible and Catholic theology. This comes into play a little later in the interview when Francis mentions Old Testament’s Book of Genesis and Judas in the New Testament. It is also front and center every day at the Casa Santa Marta where Francis gives homilies according to his gospel.
What the Church teaches...
“We believe, then, that We have set forth with sufficient clearness the historical method of the Modernists. The philosopher leads the way, the historian follows, and then in due order come internal and textual criticism. And since it is characteristic of the first cause to communicate its virtue to secondary causes, it is quite clear that the criticism We are concerned with is an agnostic, immanentist, and evolutionist criticism. Hence anybody who embraces it and employs it, makes profession thereby of the errors contained in it, and places himself in opposition to Catholic faith.”
“It is clear, on the other hand, that in historical questions, such as the origin and the handing down of writings, the witness of history is of primary importance, and that historical investigation should be made with the utmost care; and that in this matter internal evidence is seldom of great value, except as confirmation. To look upon it in any other light will be to open the door to many evil consequences. It will make the enemies of religion much more bold and confident in attacking and mangling the Sacred Books; and this vaunted “higher criticism” will resolve itself into the reflection of the bias and the prejudice of the critics. It will not throw on the Scripture the light which is sought, or prove of any advantage to doctrine; it will only give rise to disagreement and dissension, those sure notes of error, which the critics in question so plentifully exhibit in their own persons; and seeing that most of them are tainted with false philosophy and rationalism, it must lead to the elimination from the sacred writings of all prophecy and miracle, and of everything else that is outside the natural order.”
source: Leo XIII, Providentissimus Deus, #17
In Francis’ world insults are OK but “gossip is terrorism!”
You knew it had to come, Francis now pulls out his insult book. Once again he takes aim and fires at his favorite target, Catholic fundamentalists (traditionalists, pre-Vatican II) when he says that, “crisis is central to the faith, if you are not in crisis you are not growing. When Jesus hears Peter’s assurance, which reminds me of many Catholic fundamentalists, he says: ‘You will deny me three times.’ But I will pray for you. Peter denied Jesus, he was in a severe crisis. And then they made him a pope. (Laughs) I do not want to say that crisis is the daily bread of faith, but a faith that does not fall into crisis doesn’t grow, it remains infantile.” Wow! Not only does Francis have the audacity to say that faithful Catholics will deny Christ, he says that unless they accept the crisis that his revolution is causing they will remain infantile in their faith! Note to Francis, you might want to re-read the New Testament, Jesus the Christ made Peter the Pope not “they”.
Next up, Francis opens up about his anger, his crises of faith, his moments of darkness, “No, I just do not get angry anymore. (Laughs) My Lord is a lord of sinners, not of the righteous, even of the righteous, but he loves sinners. The crisis helps us to grow in faith. Without a crisis, we can not grow, because what fulfills us today will not satisfy us tomorrow. Life puts one to the test.” Another wow! Yes, crises often do help one grow but to say that what fulfills us today will not tomorrow! He is saying in one sense that Christ won’t satisfy unless you are in a crisis. What rubbish!
Francis continues, “Yes. Yes ... (pause) Moments of emptiness ... (pause) I've talked of dark moments and of empty moments. I also know empty moments.” The conversation carries on towards the devil whom Francis is a firm believer of in his existence and says, “he makes life difficult for me at times.” Francis is just getting warmed up, he next describes The Book of Genesis as a, “mythical narrative” and proceeds to inform us that Adam was not evil when he sinned and that the first evil act was committed by Cain when he murdered Abel! Francis follows that with, “The rebellion against the work of God, against man as the image of God — that’s the devil’s work.” What!? The devil (Lucifer) was a fallen angel who rebelled against God Himself and His Law! Where does he get this trash?
Has Giovanni just handed Francis the prayer of St. Francis of Assisi?
Lorenzo then asks Francis if God could forgive mass murderers such as Hitler and Stalin to which Francis replies, “I do not know, it’s possible ... I do not know. I can tell you something however that has deeply touched me. In the Burgundy village of Vézelay, where the Way of St. James begins, is the Basilica Sainte-Marie-Madeleine. There is a capital on the one side of which the hanged Judas is to be seen, and on the other (side) the good shepherd who carries him on his shoulders. This was the theology of the Middle Ages, as the monks taught them. The Lord forgives to the end.” What? When Call Me Jorge... researched this capital with Judas at the University of Pittsburgh’s Vézelay Abbey website we read, “On the left side of the capital a man carries Judas's body over his shoulder.” Where in the world is he getting this idea from? His pectoral cross?
On the left, the images of Judas hanging himself and then being carried off by an unidentified man whom Francis claims is Jesus in the Basilica Sainte-Marie-Madeleine. On the right, the pectoral cross of Francis carrying a sheep. Has he interpolated the two? Previously in late 2016, Francis said in a homily that, “Judas is the most perfect lost sheep”.
Giovanni then tries to give Francis an out by asking, “But you must ask forgiveness?” Instead Francis replies with this nonsense, “At least one must feel the burden of his sin. I do not claim that Judas is in heaven and saved. But I do not claim the opposite. I can only say, look at this capital, and what the monks of the Middle Ages thought, who taught the catechism with their sculptures. And look at the Bible in which it is said: When Judas becomes conscious of his deed, he goes to the high priests. The Bible uses the word repentance. Perhaps he has not pledged forgiveness, but he has repented.” Francis is just regurgitating the favorite blasphemous ideas of the revolutionary, Fr. Primo Mazzolari.
What the Church teaches...
Ver. 3. Then Judas, ... repenting himself. A fruitless repentance, accompanied with a new sin of despair, says St. Leo. (Witham) [...] Although Judas conceived a horror at his crime, and confessed it, and made satisfaction to a certain degree by restoring the money, still many essential conditions were wanting to his repentance: 1. faith in Christ, as God, as a redeemer, as the sole justifier from sin; 2. besides this, there was also wanting hopes of pardon, as in Cain, and a love of a much injured and much offended God. Hence his grief was unavailing, like that of the damned. If Judas, says an ancient Father, had had recourse to sincere repentance, and not to the halter, there was mercy in store even for the traitor. (Haydock)
Even though Call Me Jorge... has asked this question before, we ask
it again — Does Francis see himself as a modern day Judas Iscariot?
Francis proceeds to then criticize those he sees as hypocrites such as the mafia, “it makes me even more angry when the Holy Mother Church, my mother, my bride, does not behave as the gospel says.” This is only a segue into his one of his pet subjects as Francis isn’t finished with taking jabs at those whom he sees as of the conservative bent. He warns of the “the spirit of the world” and that we must not support one who promises to “preserve the identity of the people!” For this Francis believes is how Hitler rose to power and adds, “Populism always needs a messiah.” Call Me Jorge... is no fan of Hitler and guesses that Francis wants us to instead support someone like himself who is doing everything he can to further the de-christianization of Europe.
As Francis continues we find out exactly what he means as he believes populism only uses the people and “populism is evil and ends badly.” So who does Francis recommend as examples of real leaders? “(Robert) Schuman and (Konrad) Adenauer” because they are for the fraternity of Europe and not populists. “These men had the gift of serving their country without placing themselves in the center, and this made them great leaders. They did not have to be a messiah.” Schuman and Adenauer are two of Francis’ favorites and he thinks they are great because they helped create the anti-Christian monstrosity known as the European Union. Francis previously compared the Italian pro-drug, pro-divorce, pro-abortionist Emma Bonino to the pair.
Next he shares his belief that the whole world is at war. Duh Francis, hasn’t it always been that way? Better make sure you are sitting down for the next one that flies out of Francis mouth is a dandy, “I am a sinner and am fallible, and we must not forget that the idealization of a person is always a subliminal kind of aggression. When I am idealized, I feel attacked.” You have to be kidding us! The man who runs a personalty cult in the manner of Lenin, Stalin, Mao, or Castro wants us to believe that he feels attacked when the crowds and the mainstream media shower him with adulation?
Francis loved the pasquino but not so much the faux L’Osservatore Romano.
Francis when asked what he thought of the paquino and faux L’Osservatore Romano replies, “The fake Osservatore Romano no, but the Roman dialect of the posters was great. That wasn’t written by some guy off the streets but by someone who is smart.” Is he saying that the author is not from the marginalized? Or the peripheries?
Francis briefly returns to the subject of Cardinal Burke saying of him, “I do not regard [him] as an adversary.” This goes against the narrative that some conservatives in the media have crafted of the relationship between the two even though Burke has said, “I’m not resisting Pope Francis, because he’s done nothing against doctrine.”
Francis and Burke, two modernist peas in a pod.
Francis gets into the scandal of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta and says he still considers Burke a Patron of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta and explains that someone with a “different personality” was needed to clean up the Order.
Roberto Benigni as Guido who is marching out to be shot in ‘Life is beautiful’
Mr. di Lorenzo asks Francis, “Life is beautiful! Have you seen the film of Roberto Benigni?” To which Francis responds, “Yes, only the fact that it was so decent and clean in the camps did not please me. The real camps were quite different. But it's just a movie.” Not exactly a ringing endorsement is it? Would you expect any other attitude from a clown who relishes mocking the Crucifixion of Jesus the Christ and says his favorite painting is Chagall’s blasphemous ‘White Crucifixion’?
The six-million Jews who perished in the concentration camps are the Golgotha of the Novus Ordo. The crucifixion has been replaced by the Holocaust. You never see Francis joke around when it comes to his ‘true’ religion instead he is full of piety and seriousness.
The talk then moves onto to what Francis’ travel plans for the future are and where he would like to go and is finished with Mr. di Lorenzo showing Francis and then gifting to him the Prayer of St. Francis of Assisi in the German language.