Friday, June 29, 2018

Bp. Fellay discusses the FSSPX’s desire to become a ‘personal prelature’ and their future goals


 Bp. Fellay wants the Society to become a ‘personal preature’

In a recent interview with Regina Einig for Die Tagespost„Wir sind ein Störfaktor in der Kirche“ Bp. Fellay tackled the Society’s relationship with modernist Rome, “goodness is there, benevolence. For years, we have been working with Rome to rebuild trust. And we have made great progress despite all the reactions.... The main points - religious freedom, ecumenism, new mass - are all open questions. This is incredible progress. Until now it has been said: You must obey. Meanwhile, curia workers tell us: we should open a seminary in Rome, a university for the defense of tradition.”  Regina Einig then asked ‘What would a reasonable solution be?’ to which Fellay replied, “A personal prelature.”  Bp. Fellay then explained why the talks with modernist Rome have stalled, “Last year, Archbishop Pozzo told us that the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Congregation approved the text we were to sign. We should agree with a personal prelature. One and a half months later, Cardinal Müller decided to revise the text and demand a clearer acceptance of the Council [Vatican II] and the legitimacy of the Holy Mass [Novus Ordo Missae]. First of all, we opened discussion channels, then they blocked them. What do you really want from us? This is where the devil works. It is a spiritual fight.”  Lastly, responded when asked, ‘Do you personally trust Francis?’, “We have a very good relationship. If we let him know that we are in Rome, this door is open. He is always helping us on a smaller scale. For example, he told us, "I have problems when I do something good for you. I help Protestants and Anglicans - why can not I help the Catholics? " Some want to prevent the agreement. We are a disruptive factor in the church. The Pope stands in between.”  Bp. Fellay’s interview with
Regina Einig ends with the bishop showing her a handwritten letter from Francis to Bp. Fellay in French with the address “Cher frere, cher fils” (Dear brother, dear son).
Anonymous members of the Roman Curia want a seminary like this in Rome.


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The interdenominational Pentagon Memorial Chapel where the SSPX will concelebrate Mass.


At this point what’s the difference between the SSPX and the Indult?



**** UPDATE 1 JULY 2018 ****

A well written post exploring the implications of a priest of the FSSPX joining the US military chaplaincy including: whom would be his bishop; what rite would he celebrate; and what this says about the leadership of the SSPX; can be read at the link below.

16 comments:

  1. PARA QUE QUIEREN UN SEMINARIO COMO ESE EN ROMA ¿PARA DESTRUIRLO??

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  2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3pr_sF9T1I
    LIEBESFLAMMEN-ROSENKRANZ
    Rosary Enthusiast

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  3. "Modernist" Rome? No such thing.

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  4. The SSPX began with full canonical faculties and approval from Rome with no special requirements of having to aquiese to the pastoral administration of Vatican II. It is only just that they are allowed to return to their original standing in the Church. The Pope knows this is the right thing to do.

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    1. Yes, Pope Benedict XVI knows it is the correct thing to do.

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  5. Take a look http://religionlavozlibre.blogspot.com/2018/06/escandalo-bergoglio-echo-madre-de-nino.html

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  6. ‘Do you personally trust Francis?’, “We have a very good relationship. If we let him know that we are in Rome, this door is open. He is always helping us on a smaller scale. For example, he told us, "I have problems when I do something good for you. I help Protestants and Anglicans - why can not I help the Catholics? " Some want to prevent the agreement. We are a disruptive factor in the church. The Pope stands in between.” Bp. Fellay’s interview with Regina Einig ends with the bishop showing her a handwritten letter from Francis to Bp. Fellay in French with the address “Cher frere, cher fils” (Dear brother, dear son).

    So who is Bergoglio claiming to be (and who is Fellay worshiping)--satan (the ape of God)? Seriously:"Our help is in the name of the Lord who made heaven and earth" - ain't that good enough for Fellay? Also, is he calling the N.O. "the Church" and claiming Catholicism is a disruptive factor in "the Church" -- gee whiz I thought Catholicism was The Church and the ark of the Covenant and the means of salvation on earth.

    Meanwhile, I guess another man like Bergoglio whom Fellay would call a "unifying factor" in "the Church" Gang of Nine Sodomite Pedophile Pervert Marx has a piece of paper signed by Bergoglio also: "Now, at the end of June, it seems that Pope Francis approves of its publication after all, as can be seen in the notice that Cardinal Marx wrote on 12 June, after meeting the Pope on 11 June, during the gathering of the Council of Nine Cardinals in Rome, according to the Rome Correspondent Edward Pentin. That notice summed up the conversation of these two men and was signed by Cardinal Marx and then counter-signed (with an “F” and a date) and thereby approved by Pope Francis himself."

    https://onepeterfive.com/german-bishops-publish-confidential-cdf-letter-as-sent-to-them-on-10-april-2018/

    Bergoglio stands in between those who've been raped by VC2 pedophile perverts and justice--he protects the child and priest rapists like McCarrick who helped him steal the papacy. If Bergoglio is protecting the leadership of the SSPX (or just Fellay and his gang)--what's that say about them (or more to the point what's Bergoglio and his gang blackmailing them w/ (maybe Ratzinger's Priest Paramour Ganswein knows)?


    "a 15-year-old Argentinian – Gabriel Ferrini – who had been abused by Fr. Ruben Pardo in 2002. Immediately after being sexually violated, the youth reported the crime to his mother, Beatriz...
    The mother of the victim also went to the Archdiocese, the residence of Archbishop Jorge Bergoglio. He refused to receive her and sent his security guards to expel her from the property. Soon afterwards, she learned that Fr. Ruben Pardo was a guest at the Vicar’s House in the Flores neighborhood, directly dependent on the Archbishop of Buenos Aires. She observed: “Bergoglio was aware of this situation because no one can be installed in the Vicar’s House without the authorization of the Archbishop.”

    https://traditioninaction.org/bev/220bev06_29_2018.htm

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  7. I highly doubt the SSPX participants would concelebrate, just as most in the FSSP do not concelebrate at events they participate in in their dioceses.

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    1. B.S. George!!
      If they belong to Rome they will do as told!

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  8. The friend of my enemy is not my friend.
    Or to put it another way, if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a duck. If I am understanding this correctly, here how it goes...
    The church goes off the rails.
    The pope is clearly an apostate who doesn't hold the faith.
    A splinter group holds to the original faith.
    The church goes further off the rails. Catholics suffer.
    The head of the so-called faithful group says nothing about the apostasy, the evil, the Communism, the homosexuality, of the men in the church. Nothing.
    The head of the so-called faithful group says a deal is going to be made with the apostate pope. "They have a good relationship". What??
    As far as I'm concerned, the SSPX is positively no different from the rest of the church now. They have lost all credibility.

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    1. George Charlie (above comment) says they're tradiTradit,so you know it must be true!
      These naive demoralized trad Catholics don't have enough humility to admit we sedevacantists are right & have been since the 1970's.

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  9. Fellay is a fool and the SSPX is on its way to capitulation. The reason is that Fellay's approach is utterly false. He should know that the battle with Rome is not about finding a place for Tradition wihin a modernist Church, for modernists shouldn't have any legitimate place in Church in the first place.

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  10. The Bishop has to walk a thin line. The SSPX has an independent streak, many of the priests could easily bolt. I hope he has the full cooperation of the rank and file, otherwise I fear a split within the Society.

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  11. Wonder if Broglio/Francis will let SSPX priest marry sodomites if he's a 'military chaplain':

    Evangelical Christian Rev. Franklin Graham called upon President Donald Trump "to do something about" an Army chaplain, who is a Baptist, and who faces "serious punishment" because he refused to allow a lesbian couple to partisipate in one of his marriage retreats.

    "Mr. President, I hope you will be able to do something about this," said Rev. Graham in an April 18 post on Facebook. "You are the commander in chief of the U.S. Armed Forces."

    "Army Chaplain Scott Squires is being punished for doing his job," said Graham. "He’s facing serious punishment for explaining to a soldier that he couldn’t conduct a marriage retreat that would include same-sex couples--because of his belief in the biblical definition of marriage."

    "A military investigation determined that he should be disciplined for not including this lesbian couple in his retreat," said the reverend.

    https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michael-w-chapman/rev-graham-trump-please-help-army-chaplain-being-persecuted-lgbt-agenda

    http://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2018/03/whats-going-on-at-fsspx.html

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  12. I left the V2 church in 2016 (born 1973) because I could not longer reconcile the contradictions of V2 doctrine (such as ecumenism) with past tradition, or stomache the irreverent man-centered "mass". Now, thanks be to God, I attend the Tridentine Mass exclusively. SSPX's association with this ill-fated institution will give it some legitimacy but it will only compromise the SSPX in the long term. I believe that Rome is afraid of a renewed interest in tradition among younger catholics and it needs the SSPX to join so that these people won't leave. But why does the SSPX need Rome??

    As the old saying goes...if you sleep with dogs you'll get fleas.

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  13. Thank God for the Traditional Catholic Bishops such as Bp.Ramolla.
    (((Bishop Fellay)))

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