Anglican or Catholic?

...They are equal in Francis' eyes!

Rome Reports' coverage of the event

Francis visits Anglican Shrine of Namugongo

Francis visits the Munyonyo Martyrs Shrine

Guess those Popish recusants were wrong!

Making it up as he goes along...

...Francis' grandmother would be ashamed of him.

In the video above, Francis explains what unity is.  His definition isn't a Catholic one but it is one a humble modernist would be proud of.  Pope Saint Pius X warned us of these same modernists in his encyclical, Pascendi Dominici Gregis.  As stated in the title of the blog entry above, Francis' grandmother (for more on Nonna Rosa see, the moral decline of Jorge Bergoglio) would be ashamed if not horrified if she were alive today to hear her grandson teach such ideas.  Francis is old enough (77 years) to have had a proper religious education.  Just so people don't claim we are taking his remarks out of context, Francis' speech is in full below.  Before his remarks we put some of the questions and answers from the Baltimore Catechism which pertain to exactly what unity is.  It is a sad sight to see the world applaud this man as he leads them on the road to perdition.

Questions & Answers 

from Baltimore Catechism

Q. 548. Has the Church any marks by which it may be known?
A. The Church has four marks by which it may be known: it is One; it is Holy; it is Catholic; it is Apostolic.

Q. 549. How is the Church One?
A. The Church is One because all its members agree in one faith, are all in one communion, and are all under one head.

Q. 552. How is it evident that the Church is one in worship?
A. It is evident that the Church is one in worship because all its members make use of the same sacrifice and receive the same Sacraments.

Q. 553. How is it evident that the Church is one in faith?
A. It is evident the Church is one in faith because all Catholics throughout the world believe each and every article of faith proposed by the Church.

Q. 554. Could a person who denies only one article of our faith be a Catholic?

A. A person who denies even one article of our faith could not be a Catholic; for truth is one and we must accept it whole and entire or not at all.

Q. 565. How do you show that the Catholic Church is universal in time, in place, and in doctrine?
A. 1. The Catholic Church is universal in time, for from the time of the Apostles to the present it has existed, taught and labored in every age;
   2. It is universal in place, for it has taught throughout the whole world;
   3. It is universal in doctrine, for it teaches the same everywhere, and its doctrines are suited to all classes of persons. It has converted all the pagan nations that have ever been converted.
 
Q. 566. Why does the Church use the Latin language instead of the national language of its children?
A. The Church uses the Latin language instead of the national language of its children:
   1. To avoid the danger of changing any part of its teaching in using different languages;
   2. That all its rulers may be perfectly united and understood in their communications;
   3. To show that the Church is not an institute of any particular nation, but the guide of all nations.
 
Q. 567. How is the Church Apostolic?
A. The Church is Apostolic because it was founded by Christ on His Apostles, and is governed by their lawful successors, and because it has never ceased, and never will cease, to teach their doctrine.  

Q. 568. Does the Church, by defining certain truths, thereby make new doctrines?
A. The Church, by defining, that is, by proclaiming certain truths, articles of faith, does not make new doctrines, but simply teaches more clearly and with greater effort truths that have always been believed and held by the Church.
 
Q. 569. What, then, is the use of defining or declaring a truth an article of faith if it has always been believed?
A. The use of defining or declaring a truth an article of faith, even when it has always been believed, is: (1) To clearly contradict those who deny it and show their teaching false; (2) To remove all doubt about the exact teaching of the Church, and to put an end to all discussion about the truth defined.
 
Q. 570. In which Church are these attributes and marks found?
A. These attributes and marks are found in the Holy Roman Catholic Church alone.
 
Q. 571. How do you show that Protestant Churches have not the marks of the true Church?
A. Protestant Churches have not the marks of the true Church, because:
   1. They are not one either in government or faith; for they have no chief head, and they profess different beliefs;
   2. They are not holy, because their doctrines are founded on error and lead to evil consequences;
   3. They are not catholic or universal in time, place or doctrine. They have not existed in all ages nor in all places, and their doctrines do not suit all classes;
   4. They are not apostolic, for they were not established for hundreds of years after the Apostles, and they do not teach the doctrines of the Apostles.
 
Q. 572. From whom does the Church derive its undying life and infallible authority?
A. The Church derives its undying life and infallible authority from the Holy Ghost, the spirit of truth, who abides with it forever.

Franics' address to the Catholic Fraternity of Charismatic Covenant Communities and Fellowships in the Paul VI hall at the Vatican, Friday, Oct. 31, 2014

Dear brothers and sisters, welcome.

I thank you for your warm welcome and I greet you all with affection. I know that the Catholic Fraternity has already met with the executive and the council and that this afternoon you will open the Sixteenth International Conference with our beloved Father Raniero. You have been kind enough to provide me with a programme and I see that each meeting begins with the words which I addressed to the Charismatic Renewal on the occasion of our meeting at the Olympic Stadium last June.

I wish first of all to congratulate each of you for having embarked upon something, which was expressed as a desire at that meeting. For the last two months the Catholic Fraternity and the ICCRS (International Catholic Charismatic Renewal Services) have worked together and shared office space in the Palazzo San Calisto, in the “Ark of Noah”. I am aware that it may not have been easy to make this decision and I thank you sincerely for this witness to unity and grace, which you offer to the entire world.

I would like now to reflect upon some themes which I consider important.

The first is unity in diversity. Uniformity is not Catholic; it is not Christian. Unity in diversity. Catholic unity is diverse but it is one. It’s curious, eh? The same one who creates diversity, all these problems of diversity, is the same one who then creates unity: the Holy Spirit. He does both things: unity in diversity. Unity does not imply uniformity; it does not necessarily mean doing everything together or thinking in the same way. Nor does it signify a loss of identity. Unity in diversity is actually the opposite: it involves the joyful recognition and acceptance of the various gifts which the Holy Spirit gives to each one and the placing of these gifts at the service of all members of the Church.

Today, in the passage of the Gospel that we read at Mass, there was this uniformity of those men attached to the letter: “You must not do it like that…”, to the point that the Lord had to ask: “Tell me, can we do good on the Sabbath or not?” This is the danger of uniformity. Unity is knowing how to listen, to accept differences, and having the freedom to think differently and express oneself with complete respect towards the other, who is my brother or sister. Do not be afraid of differences! As I wrote in Evangelii Gaudium: “Our model is not the sphere, which is no greater than its parts, where every point is equidistant from the centre, and there are no differences between them. Instead, it is the polyhedron, which reflects the convergence of all its parts, each of which preserves its distinctiveness” but creates unity (236).

I saw in the programme, where the names of the Communities are mentioned, that at the introduction you have inserted the phrase, “to share the Baptism in the Holy Spirit with the whole Church”. The Church needs the Holy Spirit! How could we do without it! Every Christian in his or her life requires a heart open to the sanctifying action of the Holy Spirit. The Spirit, promised by the Father, is he who reveals Jesus Christ to us, but who makes us…gives us the possibility to say: Jesus! Without the Spirit, we could not say this. He reveals Jesus Christ, who leads us to a personal encounter with him, and who, in so doing, changes our life. A question: Is this your experience? Share it with others! In order to share this experience, you must live it and witness to it!

The theme which you have chosen for the Congress is “Praise and Worship for a New Evangelization”. Fr Raniero, a masterful guide in the ways of prayer, will speak on this theme. Praise is the “breath” which gives us life, because it is intimacy with God, an intimacy that grows through daily praise. Some time ago I heard an example of this which seems very appropriate: the way that people breathe. Breathing is made up of two stages: inhaling, the intake of air, and exhaling, the letting out of this air. The spiritual life is fed, nourished, by prayer and is expressed outwardly through mission: inhaling—prayer—and exhaling. When we inhale, by prayer, we receive the fresh air of the Holy Spirit. When exhaling this air, we announce Jesus Christ risen by the same Spirit. No one can live without breathing. It is the same for the Christian: without praise and mission there is no Christian life. And with praise, adoration. But we speak little of adoration. “But what do you do in prayer?” “I ask things of God, I give thanks, I make intercessory prayers…” But adoration, adoring God. This forms part of this inhaling: praise and adoration.

The Charismatic Renewal has reminded the Church of the necessity and importance of the prayer of praise. When we speak of the prayer of praise in the Church, Charismatics come to mind. When I spoke of the prayer of praise during a homily at Mass in Santa Marta, I said it is not only the prayer of Charismatics but of the entire Church! It is the recognition of the Lordship of God over us and over all creation expressed through dance, music and song.

I would like to revisit with you a few passages from that homily: “The prayer of praise is a Christian prayer, for all of us. In the Mass, every day, when we sing the ‘Holy, Holy, Holy’, this is a prayer of praise: we praise God for his greatness because he is great. And we address him with beautiful words because it pleases us to do this. The prayer of praise bears fruit in us. Sarah danced as she celebrated her fertility – at the age of ninety! This fruitfulness gives praise to God. Men and women who praise the Lord, who pray praising the Lord – and who are happy to do so – rejoice in singing the Sanctus at Mass and they bear fruit. Let us consider how beautiful it is to offer the prayer of praise to God. This should be our prayer and, as we offer it up to God, we ought to say to ourselves, “Arise, O heart, because you are standing before the King of Glory” (Holy Mass at Domus Sanctae Marthae, 28 January 2014).

Together with the prayer of praise, the prayer of intercession is, in these days, a cry to the Father for our Christian brothers and sisters who are persecuted and murdered, and for the cause of peace in our turbulent world. Praise the Lord at all times, never cease to do so, praise him more and more, unceasingly. I have been told of Charismatic prayer groups in which they pray the Rosary. Prayer to the Mother of God must never be excluded, never! But when you assemble for prayer, praise the Lord!

I see that you have among you a very dear friend, Pastor Giovanni Traettino, whom I visited recently. Catholic Fraternity, do not forget your origins, do not forget that the Charismatic Renewal is, by its very nature, ecumenical. Blessed Paul VI commented on this in the magnificent Apostolic Exhortation on evangelization which is highly relevant in our own day: “The power of evangelization will find itself considerably diminished if those who proclaim the Gospel are divided among themselves in all sorts of ways. Is this not perhaps one of the great sicknesses of evangelization today? The Lord’s spiritual testament tells us that unity among his followers is not only the proof that we are his but also the proof that he is sent by the Father. It is the test of the credibility of Christians and of Christ himself. Yes, the destiny of evangelization is certainly bound up with the witness of unity given by the Church. This is a source of responsibility and also of comfort” (Evangelii Nuntiandi, 77). That was Blessed Paul VI.

Spiritual ecumenism is praying and proclaiming together that Jesus is Lord, and coming together to help the poor in all their poverty. This must be done and not forgetting that today the blood of Jesus, poured out by many Christian martyrs in various parts of the world, calls us and compels us towards the goal of unity. For the persecutors, we are not divided. We are not Lutherans, Orthodox, Evangelicals, Catholics… No! We are all one! For the persecutors, we are Christians! They are not interested in anything else. This is the ecumenism of blood that we live today.

Remember: seek the unity which is the work of the Holy Spirit and do not be afraid of diversity. The breathing of Christians draws in the new air of the Holy Spirit and then exhales it upon the world: it is the prayer of praise and missionary outreach. Share baptism in the Holy Spirit with everyone in the Church. Spiritual ecumenism and the ecumenism of blood. The unity of the Body of Christ. Prepare the Bride for the Bridegroom who comes! One Bride only! All of us. (Rev 22:17).

Finally, in addition to my thanks, I would especially like to mention these young musicians from northern Brazil, who played at the beginning. I hope they continue to play a bit, no? They have welcomed me with much affection, singing “Long live Jesus my Saviour”. I know that you have prepared something more. I invite you all to listen to them before I say farewell. Thank you.

married with children, 'bishops' Robert Wise & Quintin Moore write about their visit with Francis

Robert Wise is, first and foremost, a storyteller. Growing up as a child adopted from a Jewish family that knew the Nazi Concentration Camps  Robert was always intrigued by stories of injustice. In an attempt to bridge the gap between secular and Christian markets, Robert writes to motivate his readers not only to empathy and compassion, but also to act and join the struggle against injustice. (source)

Mission Interrupted by Robert Wise

I have just returned from two weeks in Rome and time spent in private discussions with Pope Francis. As you may be aware, the Vatican was holding a landmark assembly dealing with issues facing families, divorced and remarried Catholics, as well as the gay community. During this time, the Pope met privately with me at an early morning hour to discuss bringing a new unity between Protestants and Catholics. Since I am a Protestant Archbishop, such conversations were highly irregular – and vital!

Several years ago my colleague, fellow bishop, and dear friend Tony Palmer and I were in Bari, Italy when the Roman Catholic Church signed an agreement accepting Martin Luther’s position on “Justification by Faith.” Pope Francis now maintains this concord has ended all hostilities between Protestants and the Roman Catholic Church.

The Pope had become our close friend when he was Archbishop of Buenos Aires, Argentina. Tony had become like a son to Fr. Bergoglio (now Pope Francis). As their relationship developed, Tony and I were shocked when the Archbishop became the Pope after Benedict resigned. Last spring, the Pope called on his cell phone and asked us to come to Rome. He particularly wanted us to carry the message of “unity without uniformity” to the Protestants world. The Pope wasn’t asking Protestants to join the Roman Church, but wanted Protestants and Romans to become friends again as well as brothers and sisters as Jesus prayed we would  all be. (John 17)

On July 20, 2014, at the age of 48 Tony was tragically killed in a motorcycle accident in Bath, England. Obviously, this tragedy threw our worlds into complete turmoil. Although I had retired as Director of Ecumenical Relations of the Communion of Evangelical Episcopal Churches, I was called back to help formulate a Synod Tony was working on in Rome and to re-establish our connection with the Pope. During the past two weeks in Rome, I have been working on these issues.

The Pope has asked me to continue Tony’s mission and has called on his wife Emiliana Palmer to head the Ark Community’s ministry that had become the vehicle for communication of unity. The Pope’s title “Apostolic Representative for Christian Unity” bestowed on Tony has now been transferred to me and I will continue Tony’s work. Nothing about this effort will prohibit these blogs and they will continue as usual with a an added dimension.

My new primary mission is to tell the world that Protestants and Roman Catholics have a new compatibility even though many of our views differ. We strive to be one in the days that are before us.

Quintin Moore is the lead pastor of The Father’s House, a Convergent congregation in Hutchinson, Kansas. For 28 years Quintin and his wife Annie have served faithfully the vision of revealing the unconditional love and grace of God to everyone. Since 2011 Quintin has served as the Presiding Bishop of the Christian Communion International, a family of Christian churches and worship communities around the world formed largely as a result of the Convergence Movement. He founded the Diocese of the Restoration in 2004 which serves as a covering for churches regionally. (source)

Reflecting on Rome!!! by Quintin Moore

What did you do in Rome? Where did you go? What did you see?

“I was in Rome to visit with Pope Francis.”

“Really!” “Why?”

The simple answer is “he is a friend of a friend.” My friend Tony Palmer was a friend of Pope Francis and friends always want their friends to know each other. Before Bishop Tony’s death, he had arranged for several of his friends to meet with Pope Francis. Bishop Tony and Pope Francis shared a dream together. They dreamed that the prayer that Jesus prayed in John 17, would become a reality in our lives.

“Our world needs unity; this is an age in which we all need unity. Not just unity for the sake of the social economy, but a unity that answers the very prayer of Jesus.” (Pope Francis)

“…that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.” (John 17:21 NKJV).

So I have been with Pope Francis because I am a friend of a friend who believes that Jesus prayed for and desires for us to live in unity with Him and with each other, so that unbelievers might come to know Him.

Jesus told us, “A new commandment I give to you, that you also may love one another. By this all will  know that you are my Disciples, if you have love for one another.” (John 13:34-35)

Unity is the manifestation of our love for each other. “For the love of Christ compels us…” (2 Corn. 5:14) to walk in unity and friendship with one another. Jesus said, “…I have called you friends” (John 15:15). “Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one’s life for his friends” (John 15:13). If He gave His life so we could be friends it is time, past time that we reach out to one another and be friends.

So why did I come to visit with Pope Francis? (who by the way wanted to be addressed as Father Francis) Because he is my friend! And friends visit with each other. They share their weakness’s and their strength’s. They share their dreams, their hopes and their hearts with each other. Friends pray for each other.

Father Francis says, “Whenever we Christians are enclosed in our groups, our movements, our parishes, in our little world we remain closed, and the same thing happens to us that happens to anything closed. When a room is closed it begins  to get dank. If a person is closed up in that room he or she becomes ill. Whenever Christians are enclosed in their groups, parishes and movements, they take ill.”

It is time for Christians to be healed. Healed of the wounded and broken relationship between brothers and sisters. This healing requires our cooperation.

My friend Tony used to say, “division is diabolical, diversity is divine.” The Church is diverse but she is also called to the “unity of the Spirit in the bond of Peace” (Eph. 4:3)

Father Francis is “a friend of a friend” who has become my friend. He encouraged us to share the Life of Jesus with everyone! He says, “Life grows by being given away, and it weakens in isolation and comfort. Indeed, those who enjoy life most are those who leave security on the shore and become excited by the mission of communicating life to others. When the Church summons Christians to take up the task of evangelization, she is simply pointing to the source of authentic personal fulfillment.”

We are all called “to do the work of an evangelist” (2 Tim. 4:5). In order for Evangelism to have it’s greatest success it needs for the church to live in unity. “… then the world will know you are my disciples” (John 13:350, and “…. that the world may believe that You sent Me” (John 17:21).

It was my privilege to have met Father Francis…. to share the dream of unity, to pray for unity, and to look for ways of living in unity.

Jesus prayed that prayer and I believe that it will be answered as we contemplate and cooperate with the Holy Spirit.

Thank you Tony! Your life, your dream, your ministry has not been forgotten and it will never end.

The Miracle of Unity …. has not only begun, but it is growing!

Kenneth Copeland, the late Tony Palmer, Francis, and James 'high-five' Robison hold hands at the first Evangelical Lunch on 23 June 2014.

Francis needs to learn a basic pre-Vatican II catechism!

Transcript courtesy of the Ark Community

First of all, I want to thank you for your courage. Yesterday I was at the door of the synod hall with a Lutheran bishop. I said, “You’re a brave man! In a previous age they burned Lutherans here … !” [laughter]

This is a meeting that was organized by Tony [Palmer]. He was very excited by this meeting. And I was too. And I am grateful to Archbishop Robert Wise and to Emiliana, who have chosen to carry the torch, this dream which was Tony’s: this dream of being able to walk in communion. We are sinning against Christ’s will, because we continue to focus on our differences; our shared baptism is more important than our differences. We all believe in the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. We all have the Holy Spirit within us, which prays within us.

And we all know that there is a father of lies, the father of all division, the antifather, the devil who pushes in and divides, divides. Tony and I spoke so much of walking together, of going ahead, in what unites us, praying that the Lord Jesus with His strength help us and not let what divides us divide us even more. [others say, ‘Amen!’]

It’s crazy to have this treasure and yet prefer imitiations of that treasure – the imitations are our differences. What we should care about is the treasure: Father, Son and Holy Spirit, the vocation to holiness, the call to preach the Gospel in every corner of the earth, with the certainty that He is with us – he’s not with me because I’m Catholic, he’s not with me because I’m Lutheran, He’s not with me because I’m Orthodox. A theological mess!

Everyone has their own identity, and I assume that each one of us seeks the Truth. But while we do that we should walk together, and pray for each together, and together let’s do works of charity together – Matthew 25, together; the Beatitudes, together.

We each have in our Churches excellent theologians. That’s another way to walk together also. But we shouldn’t wait for them to reach agreement! That’s what I think. [Applause].

There’s one other thing I’d like to say. This is called spiritual ecumenism. But
there is something else. Nowadays we are seeing how Christians are being persecuted.  I’ve just been in Albania, where they were telling me that they didn’t get asked if they were Catholic or Orthodox – if you were Christian, they would kill you.

Right now in Middle East, and Africa, and so many other countries, how many Christians are being killed! They’re not asked if they are Pentecostals, or Lutherans, Anglicans, Catholics, Orthodox. They’re Christians; and they’re being killed because they believe in Jesus Christ. This is ecumenism of the blood.

I remember one time in Hamburg, in 1986-87, and I met a parish priest. And that parish priest was bringing the cause for the beatification of a Catholic priest who was guillotined by the Nazis for teaching the Catechism to children. During his research he saw the list of those sentenced to death that day and right behind him was a Lutheran pastor who was condemned for the same reason. So that the blood of the priest mixed with the blood of the pastor. The priest went to the bishop and said, “either I bring both the Cause for both together, or neither. That’s ecumenism of blood.

I don’t want to say much more. But there was something else that Tony told me.  When he was a young boy in school, the black and the white children would walk and play together when when mealtime came, they were separated. And they would say, “but we want to eat together!” And that desire he had inside of him to walk together so we can eat together at the banquet of the Lord.

I want to thank the presence here of Archbishop Robert Wise, Tony’s spiritual father, and Emiliana, a strong woman. Both of them inherit many things from Tony. We’re aware that it was he who brought us together. This desire for unity, to walk together, praying for each other, living the Beatitudes together, fulfilling together Matthew 25, without making an institution, but freely, like brothers. I don’t know if Emiliana would now like to say a few words?

On 10 October 2014, Francis met with 19 bishops from 

The Communion of Evangelical Episcopal Churches (CEEC)

for two hours followed by lunch.

 Married with one daughter, James Hampton eating with Francis.

James Hampton not only got the grand tour of the 
Vatican but also of Castel Gandolfo.

Are these men also married?

The 19 bishops their wives and children went to dinner at

Ristorante Il Grottino 3 days before their meeting with Francis.

Some of the CEEC bishops touring Rome.

Pastor Will Cain chillin' in Rome.

VIP guests of Francis at the Vatican!

Sharing jokes at the Vatican.

 Henry Roberts II, Francis, and Darrell D Patrick at lunch.

 After talking, eating is Francis' favorite activity.

Signing a book for Quintin Moore.

 Francis signing a book for Zionist Daniel Warren Williams.

 Another group photo!

 Stephen Galloza planting a kiss on Francis!

Father Francis is “a friend of a friend” who has become my friend. He encouraged us to share the Life of Jesus with everyone! He says, “Life grows by being given away, and it weakens in isolation and comfort. Indeed, those who enjoy life most are those who leave security on the shore and become excited by the mission of communicating life to others. When the Church summons Christians to take up the task of evangelization, she is simply pointing to the source of authentic personal fulfillment" 

- 'archbishop' Quintin Moore  -

“Our world needs unity; this is an age in which we all need unity. Not just unity for the sake of the social economy, but a unity that answers the very prayer of Jesus.”

 - Francis -

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Francis the modernist takes his sideshow outside again!

No more is the sweltering Roman summer heat causing Francis to hold his Wednesday general audience inside the monstrosity known as the Paul VI Audience Hall.  The show is now back in St. Peter's Square, where the adoring mobs can listen to Francis tell them such modernist gems as:

Dis-unity is a sin!

Stop gossiping!

If one so desires, one can watch the entire circus show below.