Friday, July 25, 2014

Unity through Diversity in the Novus Ordo church

Instead of writing a long commentary on the interfaith relationships of Francis we thought we would post a bunch photos and a few videos.  Peruse through them and draw your own conclusions.  Remember on Monday Francis is to visit his fallen away catholic friend who is now a Baptist minister, Giovanni Traettino.  He is reportedly going there to apologize to Evangelicals for the mistreatment they have received from the Church.  This idea originated at the recent lunch Francis had with evangelicals.  As the pictures show this 'friendship' started a long time ago.  An important name to remember is Matteo Calisi.

 Kenneth Copeland, Tony Palmer (leading prayer) and Francis

Kenneth Copeland, Tony Palmer (blessing food), and Francis

 Kenneth Copeland, Tony Palmer, Francis and James Robison holding hands while praying

 Brian Stiller, Tony Palmer, and Francis

 Gloria Copeland and Emiliana Serzio Palmer (Tony's wife)

 Tony Palmer and his financial backer, Kenneth Copeland

 Kenneth and Gloria Copeland with Matteo Calisi

 Lunch with the Evangelicals

Geoff Tunnicliffe and Francis

 Robert Wise and Francis

 Robert Wise, Francis, and Tony Palmer

 Tony Palmer, Archbishop Mario Paciello, Robert Wise, Matteo Calisi

"Unity through Diversity"

????, Archbishop Mario Paciello, Jorge Mario Bergoglio, Sean Larkin, Matteo Calisi, Robert Wise, Carlo Colonna, and Tony Palmer

Archbishop Mario Paciello and Francis

 Gerard O'Flaherty, Tony Palmer, Matteo Calisi, Sean Larkin

Matteo Calisi, Tony Palmer, Carlo Colonna

 Matteo Calisi, ????, Carlo Colonna, Jorge Mario Bergoglio

 Jorge Mario Bergoglio and Sean Larkin

Jorge Mario Bergolgio and Matteo Calisi

Matteo Calisi and Jorge Mario Bergoglio

 Jorge Mario Bergoglio speaking to evangelicals

 Jorge Mario Bergoglio on knees for evangelical blessing

Francis and Giovanni Traettino embrace

 Matteo Calisi and Benedict XVI

Francis and Matteo Calisi

Tony Palmer translates for Matteo Calisi at the 'Catch the Fire Conference 2011' hosted by John & Carol Arnott
Matteo Calisi and Francis 

Francis hugs Giovanni Traettino at Italy's Catholic Charismatic Renewal 2014 

Jorge Mario Bergoglio blessed by Giovanni Traettino and Matteo Calisi at Luna Park, Buenos Aires, Argentina in 2006 

Francis to visit Giovanni Traettino on Monday 


  1. Great job of showing how some of the pieces of the puzzle fit together. How is it that "super-journalist" John Allen wasn't able to uncover some of these connections? Could it be that he doesn't want to expose characters lurking in the shadows just outside the spotlight of the media? Like for instance Matteo Calisi?

    Please see my comments on Matteo Calisi over at Fruits of Vatican II under these articles:

    For instance I found the following quotes which show that Matteo Calisi is a key figure as you document here in photos.

    "It is through Calisi, [Tony] Palmer was invited to Rome from where he was working for Kenneth Copeland Ministries in South Africa to work with charismatic Catholics and was then sent to do the same thing in Buenos Aires, where he became friends with then Archbishop Jorge Mario Bergoglio, the future pope."

    "Matteo also became good friends with Pope John Paul II. Pope John Paul gave Matteo a letter introducing him to every Catholic parish around the world. The letter said that Matteo Calisi was given responsibility to re-evangelize the Catholic Church, introduce Catholics to the fullness of the Holy Spirit, help them understand biblical worship, and bring reconciliation between Catholics and other Christians."
    Matteo Calisi is an international leader of the Catholic Charismatic Renewal in the Catholic Church.
    In 1992, together with the Pentecostal Pastor Rev. Dr. *****Giovanni Traettino***** (Bishop-Chairman of the Evangelical Church of the Reconciliation), Matteo founded Consultazione Carismatica Italiana (Italian Charismatic Consultation – CCI), a joint committee of Catholic Charismatics and Pentecostal Evangelicals, which started a dialogue between Catholics and Pentecostals in Italy. Presently Matteo is Co-President of CCI together with Rev. Traettino.

    1. Great research Michael! We hadn't gone that deep into Calisi due to lack of time. It is also interesting to note, few traditional Catholic newspapers and websites report on any of this. Ignorance must be bliss to them. Thanks again for your comments!

  2. Dear Call Me Jorge. It's very interesting -- isn't it? -- that people that actually have the time and are getting paid to do this type of work -- I think they like to refer to themselves as "professional journalists" -- can't seem to find this information. Oh yeah they're professionals alright-- members of the "oldest profession" in the world. Yes, they have prostituted themselves in order to make a living.

    Meanwhile you and I who do this in our spare time and are not making a penny off of this -- I notice that your blog has no ads -- are able to find this information. And it is not as if we had to search through the "secret Vatican archives". All of this information is publicly available online and easily found with the click of a Google search button.

    They cannot claim "ignorance". I wonder how many of these "professional journalists" have actually shaken hands with Matteo Calisi and even heard him speak publicly. Or have even had news stories about the "Catholic charismatic movement" fed to them by Calisi?

    One thing that is becoming increasingly clear to me is that the "Catholic charismatic movement" is not a grassroots "movement" that just sprung up spontaneously as we have been led to believe. Rather it is a carefully orchestrated "movement" led by insiders in the Vatican. And that its purpose is to further undermine the true Catholic faith worldwide. Cui bono?

    See for instance this link:

    Having been involved in Roman Catholic charismatic renewal since the 1970s, Matteo, together with his wife, founded the Community of Jesus in May 1983. The Community is committed to a three-fold ministry of worship, the reconciliation of Christians, and evangelism. It was significantly shaped by input into Matteo’s life from two men, Cardinal Suenens and David du Plessis.
    At Rimini in 1978 Matteo met Cardinal Suenens, one of four moderators of the Second Vatican Council and a supporter of the renewal movement.  Through further meetings at the Vatican their friendship developed and the Cardinal encouraged Matteo to start the Community of Jesus, with its particular emphasis on unity and reconciliation within the Body of Christ. He visited the infant Community later that same year.

    Over the following years this call on Matteo’s life has been acknowledged by the Vatican and also recognised by many leaders within other denominations. Supported by the Community of Jesus, the work of reconciliation has led him to minister in an international context, co-operating with many ecumenical organisations which include:
    • Society for Pentecostal Studies (SPS) in the USA
    • Conversation between Roman Catholic and Non-denominational Christians, sponsored by Centro Pro-Unione in Rome
    • Towards Jerusalem Council II (TJCII) for the dialogue between Messianic Jews and Christians
    • International Charismatic Consultation (ICC)
    • Communion of Renewed Evangelicals and Catholics in the Holy Spirit (CRECES) in Argentina
    • Meeting of Christians in search of Unity and Holiness (ENCRISTUS) Brazil
    Within the Roman Catholic setting Matteo has served as Vice-President of the International Catholic Charismatic Renewal Services (ICCRS) and President of the Catholic Fraternity of Charismatic Covenant Communities and Fellowships (CFCCCF). On the 11th March 2008 he was appointed as a Member of the Pontifical Council for the Laity. Matteo continues to be encouraged in the work of reconciliation by Pope Francis.

  3. Colonna, S. J., Carlo. Gli Ebrei Messianici: Un segno dei tempi. Verona, Italy: Edizioni Fede & Cultura, 2009.

    This is the first book on the Messianic Jewish movement of which I am aware to have been written by a Roman Catholic. The author, Fr Carlo Colonna, is a Jesuit priest serving as spiritual guide to a Catholic charismatic community, the Comunità di Gesù, in Bari, Italy. Under the leadership of Matteo Calisi, this community has in recent years hosted a series of annual conferences, on themes as diverse as ‘Justice and Peace,’ and ‘Praise and Worship.’ In 2004, they launched an annual ‘Dialogue’ between Catholics and Messianic Jews, with invited Messianic speakers, mostly from Israel and the United States. Fr Colonna has been part of all these meetings and in this book he shares what he has learned over the last five years. He is a theologian well versed in Catholic spirituality. This double expertise characterizes his book and gives it a particular value.


  5. Bergoglio, the bishop of Rome, (tele) evangelizing Italy for the Satan-filled Muslims and holy roller conboyz!

  6. This is a MUST READ!

    The "Secret" Meeting of Pope Francis in Caserta

    by Massimo Introvigne

    Here is a short excerpt:

    "The first structured and significant experiences that were personally initiated and encouraged by Saint Pope John Paul II (1920-2005), was carried out in Italy between Catholic Charismatic Communities and pastors of the Pentecostal movement.
    The meeting between Matteo Calisi, a representative of the Catholic Charismatic Renewal from Bari and Pastor Giovanni Traettino plays a central role because it abuts a dialogue that slowly, though not ripening without resistance both in the Catholic world and among the Pentecostals."

  7. Michael & Maurice,

    Thanks for the comments. It saves us time and brings to our attention items which we wouldn't have discovered. Both of you are invaluable to us and our research.

    We hadn't read anything on the Charismatic (Pentecostal) Catholic Movement until Jorge Mario Bergoglio was elected. Before the conclave we had ignored the Charismatics as a joke. The comments are helping us get up to speed. It seems the Charismatics have been groomed for some time to take over the Vatican as the Novus Ordo dies out.

    Interesting to note is the late Tony Palmer recommended one to read the book, Velvet Elvis: Repainting the Christian Faith by Rob Bell, in order, "to get a good idea of the direction and genre of our Community’s approach." According to Publishers Weekly, "Bell is well-versed in Jewish teachings and draws from rabbinic wisdom and stories freely." Rob Bell is also pro-sodomite and said of his book it is for those, "fascinated with Jesus, but can't do the standard Christian package." Bell is also developing several television shows to push this new form of "Christianity".

    We wonder where this is all going to end up?

    Call Me Jorge...

    1. I think the neo cons in Washington are too busy preparing for their war with Russia which apparently the UN just gave them the go ahead according to Paul Craig Roberts, so the burning of Rome for losing the Faith as predicted by Cardinal Manning may happen sooner than we think. Russia seems to be being unleashed soon by God as the "instrument whereby God will punish" the unbelieving world, as Our Lady at Fatima predicted. We may just be having nuclear winter before Paul VI's "canonization" travesty occurs. I keep thinking of that film with Nicholas Cage showing the earth burning on fire and the "aliens" rescuing the "chosen children" on October 19, which is the same day the novus ordo plans on this canonization ceremony, as I recall.

  8. This is a video put out by a protestant evangelical but which had some pretty interesting things to say about some of the "faith" preached by some of the people like Copeland who Bergoglio met up with. You can see from this heretic's posting on youtube just how crazy some of the stuff Copeland promotes is.

  9. This sideshow is just great for Bergo. He doesn't have to tell his Zionist friends to stop massacring the Palestinians in Gaza!

    1. Yes it is. In a similar manner the shoot down of flight #17 conveniently took place as to take attention offer the Gaza massacre.

    2. Interesting that the former PLO and Moslem Brotherhood member, now Christian, Wallid Shoebat, has a lot of different things to say from you regarding your so-called Palestinian friends. You can find him on youtube. He reports countless atrocites against unarmed Israelis and Jews elsewhere by "Palestinians".
      (In fact the Arabs sent a delegation to the UN in the 1950s [note date], stating that the term "Palestine" was a Zionist myth. That's because the majority of the population of Palestine were Jews--before going back to their ancient name, as the Iranians and the Irish did: Persia became Iran and Ireland became Eire.)
      It was not till after the Yom Kippur War, started by the Arabs that Nasser sent his fellow Egyptian, Yasser Arafat into the region to ferment trouble.
      The Bible tells us that the Philistines ("Palestinians) were wiped out--so does secular history. And they lived in the area of Lebanon, not Israel.
      The world's media does not report these facts. In fact, Arafat said publicly in front of his friend, Pope John Paul II, that Jesus Christ was the first Palestinian to carry a sword. The Christian author and broadcaster, the late Dave Hunt asked as Arafat made the claim publicly, why didn't the pope rebuke him publicly.
      Jesus Himself states that He was a Jew [John 4:22] and He still is a Jew [Revelation 5:5].
      The apostle Paul shows us in Romans 11 that the Old Testament blessing by God on on those that bless the Jews and curses those that curse them still stand. We only have to note what happened to the Axis powers and Nazi Germany. We also only have to look at the Arab world now.
      Israel's about the third of the size of the United Kingdom, if that, and look at sizes and populations of the nations that totally surround them.
      They can't defeat Israel.
      Go and open your BIble at Ezekiel and see why. (Verse 11 even tells us when they'd return to their land--after the Holocaust; and it was organised by the Vatican. (Hitler, who remained a Catholic publicly stated that he based the Gestapo on the Jesuits, a group he had always admired. He even called Goebels his Ignatius Loyola.
      No wonder so many of us who were Catholics have nothing to do with Roman Catholicism. I am fortunate to have been brought up in a Protestant (sadly now athiest) country so I had access to real history.
      However in today's media we have little access to truth these days.
      Wallid Shoebat is not the only Arab Moslem now Christian who exposes the "Palestine" myth: You'll find Pastor JD Farag on youtube with hist Mid East Prohecy updates (anothr supporter of Israel and you'll find Mark Gabriel (Former Egyptian IMAM) and his lebanese wife Brigitte's books on Amazon, exposing Islamic terror not only against Israel but how these "Palestinians" turned the liberal Lebanon into an Islamic state run by terrorists.

    3. Walid is an intelligence asset of the Mossad, a fraud, and a liar.

      Terror training fraud

      Speakers at Academy Said to Make False Claims

  10. Dear Call Me Jorge. There is a good article on CNA regarding the meeting tomorrow of bergogliol with Traettino titled " Pope Francis to meet with evangelical pastor ":

    The article provides a lot of relevant background information and I highly recommend reading it.

    What's missing from this article and ALL the articles that I have read about Traettino is the fact that he has had an OFFICIAL connection with the Vatican since ***1992*** through Matteo Calisi! (See my first comment above.)

    They make it sound as if Traettino and Bergoglio just happened to bump into each other at a charismatic conference in Buenos Aires in 2006 and then became "friends".

    The real truth seems to be that Calisi organized the conference in Buenos Aires in order to spread the "catholic charismatic movement" to Argentina and that he arranged for Traettino to meet with then archbishop bergoglio.

    Calisi also sent Tony Palmer to Buenos Aires to work in Argentina around the same time. Tony Palmer was working for Calisi at the time. So again, this idea that Palmer and bergoglio just spontaneously became "friends" is highly misleading at best.

    And Matteo Calisi is a paid employee of the Vatican -- unless I totally have that wrong. But he certainly gives that impression in his BIO which he posts on his website.

    I smell a deliberate coverup of the role of Calisi because this would lead to debunking the official FOB -- "friends of Bergoglio" -- talking point and instead point to direct Vatican involvement in promoting the "charismatic" movement both inside and outside the Catholic Church! If this is what the Vatican is trying do, then why don't they just publicly admit it rather than run a clandestine semi-official operation? Do they think they need deniability in case certain facts are revealed? I suspect there is much more to the story....

    1. The photo above labeled ????, Archbishop Mario Paciello, Jorge Mario Bergoglio, Sean Larkin, Matteo Calisi, Robert Wise, Carlo Colonna, and Tony Palmer is from the same conference you mention. Matteo Calisi is a very high ranking laymen in the Novus Ordo church. We are going to inquire with a few sources we have In Rome as to how big his role is. Our guess is there is a back channel with certain Zionists financing this whole operation who don't yet want to be known.

    2. Dear Call Me Jorge. If you have those kind of contacts in Rome then it would be worth asking them what they know about Calisi. I agree with your approach.

      1. Follow the money trail.
      2. Ask "cui bono?'

      I also suspect that Kenneth Copeland may be receiving money from some of the same sources. And Traettino as well.

      It is just not "natural" for evangelicals/charismatics to want to draw closer to the Catholic Church. There whole existence is based on an anti-Catholic premise. So in order to take up that unnatural position it would require lots of $$$'s to motivate them.

      Regarding Robert Wise I found the following:
      "[Robert Wise] has been invited by the Vatican to yearly ecumenical dialog in Rome with Roman Catholic officials and key lay leaders of Roman Catholic charismatic renewal movements and to serve as a guest professor in one of the Roman Catholic Seminaries in Bari, Italy."

      History of CEEC -- Communion of Evangelical Episcopal Churches
      I very strongly suspect the "key lay leaders" refers to Matteo Calisi.

      Also this history article establishes a direct and very close link between Tony Palmer and Robert Wise. At the same time that Palmer says he was working for Calisi, he was also working for Wise.

      Here is the quote:
      "The Ark is under his [Robert Wise] leadership with experimental community development across Europe under the leadership of Fr. Tony Palmer."

      The Ark website is here:

      "We believe in ONE Holy Universal Christian Church, consisting of ALL Believers, professing Jesus Christ as the only means to salvation, regardless of denomination. Denomination is your chosen expression, not your religion!"

      "Working closely with the Protestant, Orthodox and Catholic churches worldwide, we seek to support the worldwide task of reconciliation between the various Christian Churches."

      (Sounds very reminiscent of bergoglianisms doesn't it. No wonder he referred to Palmer as "brother bishop".)

      Also, notice the pagan symbolism -- especially the triangular shaped "triquetra" used in place of the letter 'A' in "Ark".
      "The triquetra has been found on runestones in Northern Europe and on early Germanic coins. It presumably had pagan religious meaning and it bears a resemblance to the Valknut, a symbol associated with Odin."

    3. Michael Your mentioning of the triquetra - Ground Zero media radio talk show host did an entire show on that symbol's relationship with the malaysian airliner that was shot down.

      He, in my opinion, correctly points out that the three Hebrew vavs which constitute numerically 666 on the Monster drink also constitute a version of this symbol. I happened to remark to a family member that the Hebrew vav also seems to have been the shape of that inverted awful crucifix that fell on the hiker guy from Bergamo? - the one that lived on the street named after Roncalli. The shape of that thing, where the corpus ended up crushing the hiker to death - the 'crucifix' was erected for John Paul II's visit in Northern Italy years before. The whole thing came down around the time of their 'canonizations.'

  11. from Fr. Goffine's The Church's Year, for the Seventh Sunday After Pentecost:

    GOSPEL: (St. Matthew 7:15-21) At that time, Jesus said to His disciples, Beware of false prophets, who come to you in the clothing of sheep, but inwardly they are ravening wolves: by their fruits you shall know them. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit, and the evil tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can an evil tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit, shall be cut down, and shall be cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits you shall know them. Not every one that saith to me: Lord, Lord, shall enter the Kingdom of Heaven; but he that doth the will of My Father who is in Heaven, he shall enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.

    Who are the false prophets?
    Those seducers who under an appearance of virtue and honesty lure innocent, simple souls from the right path, and lead them to vice and shame: who by sweet words, such as: "God is full of love, and will not be severe on sin, He does not require so very much of us. He knows we are weak, and if a person sins, he can be converted" seek to steal from souls all modesty and fear of God. Guard against such hypocrites, for they have the poison of vipers on their tongues. By the false prophets are also understood those who propagate error, who by superficial words degrade the true Faith, who speak always of love and liberty, and who under the pretence of making people free and happy, bring many a soul to doubt and error, depriving it of true Faith and peace of heart.

    How can we know the false prophets?
    By their works, for evil, corrupted men can produce only bad fruit. If we look into their life, we will find that at heart they are immoral hypocrites who observe external propriety only that they may the more easily spread their poison. The false teachers and messengers of error may be known by their lives, but especially by their intentions, which are to subvert all divine order, and to put the unrestrained lust of the flesh and tyranny in its place.

    Who else are understood by the false prophets?
    Those who under pretence of making men happy and rich, induce the credulous to make use of superstition, of wicked arts, deceit, and injustice; especially those who under the deceiving appearance of liberty and equality, independence and public good, incite them to open or secret revolt against civil and ecclesiastical authority.

    Be not deceived by these so-called public benefactors who look always to their own advantage, but trust in God, support yourself honestly, live like a Christian, and you will find true liberty and happiness here and hereafter.

    Why does Christ say: "Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit shall be cut down, and shall be cast into the fire?
    He warns us that Faith without good works is not sufficient for salvation; and He therefore adds: Not every one that saith: Lord, Lord (who outwardly professes himself my servant, but is not really such) shall enter into the Kingdom of Heaven, but he who (by the fulfillment of the duties of his state of life and by the practice of good works), does the will of my Father, merits Heaven. Strive then, Christian soul, to fulfill God's will in all things, perform your daily duties with a good intention, and you will certainly obtain the kingdom of heaven.

  12. Dear Call Me Jorge. You mentioned that you would like more information on the "catholic charismatic renewal movement". Here is what I have found.

    Cardinal Suenens is the key Vatican player behind the scenes in promoting the "charismatic renewal". Remember that he was the one that originally encouraged and supported Matteo Calisi.

    Below is an excerpt from an EXCELLENT article that exposes Suenens role. I would highly recommend reading the whole article.

    According to Dave Hunt, the guiding hand behind the Charismatic movement, who likewise used it to further Rome's ecumenical aims, was Cardinal Leon Joseph Suenens. He was a recipient of the ecumenical  Templeton Award for Progress in Religion in 1976, and was given a special mandate to oversee the worldwide charismatic "renewal movement" in the Catholic Church, an assignment that was reconfirmed by John Paul II.

    Suenens wrote a book titled "The New Pentecost" in 1974. If you are really interested you can download the whole thing along with other related books and articles here:

    There is also an article there by Fr. Cantalamessa titled " Baptism in the Holy Spirit ". I mention it because he is the Preacher to the Papal Household since 1980, under Pope John Paul II, Pope Benedict XVI and Pope Francis.

    See also the link for the article below titled " Recent Popes' and Bishops' Statements Concerning the Catholic Charismatic Renewal ". It is an excellent resource on official Church statements in support of the "charismatic renewal". Even though it is intended to support the legitimacy of this illegitimate movement. :)

    And of course all of this is made even more relevant right now by the meeting today of bergoglio with Traettino.

    Thank you for your tireless work. May the peace of Christ be with you.

  13. "to loud applause he asked forgiveness for the words and actions of Catholics who have persecuted Pentecostals in the past"
    TRANSLATION: bergoglio says sorry for being Catholic -- we're working on that....
    I'm thoroughly disgusted.
    Some "private visit"...
    " [bergoglio] was welcomed by over 200 Evangelicals who had travelled to Caserta from around Italy, as well as from the U.S. and South America "
    I feel sick. This is a total betrayal of the Catholic Church.
    Of course Vatican Radio loves this sort of stuff. They are the Catholic equivalent of NPR. They couldn't be more socialist/humanist/masonic/anti-Catholic if they tried.

    1. John Paul II spent a significant portion of his "pontificate" apologizing for the Church having the Faith, and defending it from heresy and apostasy over it's two thousand year history to many of these types of people. This is why a priest friend I knew was told (which I have mentioned on this blog before) by William Levada, who ended up becoming under Ratzinger head of what had been the Holy Office, that "everything before Vatican II was garbage" by which I presumed he meant our Lord and the apostles and all the saints, martyrs, Fathers, Doctors etc. This is also why Hutton Gibson, the actor Mel's father, complained vociferously in his newsletters when John Paul II was busy doing this, that he was waiting for them to apologize for Jesus and the apostles. They haven't gotten around to doing that; but Ratzinger's denial of Christ as the Messiah with John Paul II's full approval and denying the Resurrection as a real historical event (already cited enough online by smarter heads than mine), aside from their absolute devastation of the apostolic succession and the sacraments, they haven't got much left to do to finish off whatever may remain of the Faith. The people I feel the most sorry for are the ones who think these men are Catholics and do not recognize the enemy in their camp plotting their spiritual damnation. Talk about spiritual Stockholm Syndrome.

  14. more on Giovanni Traettino & his wife and their relatives

  15. I believe the purpose of this is pretty simple, to make Catholicism entirely anti-intellectual and illogical; all feeling and experience-based. Already Catholics have little sense of proportion and, at some level, believe 1000 non-Judaic people = 1 Judaic finger nail and that the 'Holocaust' was a greater crime than the Crucifixion of Christ.

    The aim is also to replace the thirst for justice (except where Judaic matters are concerned) with "dialogue." Even at this late, grave date, Francis is urging Israelis and Palestinians to "stop fighting." There's that lack of proportion. I suppose he would tell a woman who resists rape to "stop fighting;" that is even less preposterous than what he proposes. He urges both sides to "return to dialogue."

    "Dialogue" has resulted in the Palestinian people loosing nearly everything, just as "dialogue" has led to us loosing our religion. Their "dialogue" is a bad-faith time-buying scheme and should have been rejected at the outset. Dialogue with con-men is ill advised.

    1. Well a cow can't compare with a human, eh? As the Talmud calls the Gentiles. So I guess your fingernail vs 1000 "cattle" in THEIR view would apply.

      The rape analogy you gave also is very fitting.